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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Wallace your host and we have a great

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guest tonight I'm really looking forward

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to this I do want to tell you a number

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of people have written me asking me how

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Alejandro Rojas is he's doing fine

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just to let everyone know he's just been

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really busy a lot of changes going on

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but he is doing absolutely fine he was

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actually gonna be on the show this

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evening and he is traveling for

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Thanksgiving and speaking of that I want

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to wish everyone out there Happy

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Thanksgiving and if you celebrate here

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in America it's a wonderful holiday I

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think families get together eat turkey

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and hopefully do not talk about politics

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and just have a really good visit with

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each other and our guest tonight I'm

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real excited Brice is able we had a

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little brief interview with him out in

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Phoenix a few years ago tonight we got

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him for the whole show so I'm pretty

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excited about that and what a background

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he has we'll talk about that but in the

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film industry he is an incredible an

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incredible background and has written a

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lot of wonderful things and he has a lot

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of things on his plate at all times a

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very active guy and a lot of fun and

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welcome to the show Brice it's great to

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be with you Martin thanks for having me

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on yeah let's see you like I said you

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have so much going on all the time out

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there yeah yeah and you're having fun I

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remember you and I had a conversation

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and you mentioned something along the

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lines of your wife saying hey you know

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you could do as a good a job as someone

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else on this why don't you see if you

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can write a screenplay right how I got

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started yeah yeah I thought you were

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gonna say my wife said you can do as

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good a job as that Martin why don't you

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just do a podcast no which I could not

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do I could not do as good a job no but

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that actually is what happened years ago

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when I first came to LA I

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as the CNN correspondent and as things

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go on shows get canceled the guy that

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hired me got fired I ended up having to

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look for work and and that's when I

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realized well you know I could be like

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one of these itinerant news guys just

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blowing from town to town and and who

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knows what that life would have been

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like but my wife said well maybe you

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should try writing a screenplay and I

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had never written a screenplay before I

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said I don't even know what it looks

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like

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look at it on this is how long ago it

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was and but I got a hold of one on

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Hollywood Boulevard looked at it thought

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doesn't have a lot of adjectives and

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adverbs in it kind of like TV news

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probably can do that that's what I did

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Wow well somebody just said I'd look

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Haggard I need a vacation that was a

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nice message to get that I don't know

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because somebody else I saw with the

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first comment was something about did

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the guy have facial surgery or is that

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Photoshop I presumed they're talking

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about me and it is an older photo so

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there is that well there is a reason I

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do a podcast that's audio listen I'm

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happy to be here and in fact I was

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thrilled I'm trying a new little light

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on and that my light over there seems to

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be shining properly all is good with the

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world let's talk that's right that's

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right and you're out in you're out in

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fire country out there how I am how's

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that been this year well I sort of silly

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well to back up last year it wasn't good

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last year I was evacuated I remember

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that the fires were blowing through my

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town on the way and down to Malibu many

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of my friends were affected it was a

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terrible and horrible situation this

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year I actually gone to Phoenix for a

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couple of days to visit my daughter and

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while I was there that we started giving

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all these fire warnings so I just stayed

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another week so I I call it a self

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evacuation as it turns out the fire's

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didn't burn through here but they could

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and you know it's just not a Southern

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California problem though

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anymore now we're having fires

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everywhere in in a few weeks I'm gonna

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be doing some traveling and and I'll be

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going to Australia among other places

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and you know Australia is on fire right

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so serious and this kind of stuff

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happens I'm I'm happy to hear that our

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weather forecast says it's going to rain

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for Thanksgiving and that's not usually

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something that you get excited about but

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down here it is right right yeah yeah I

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know it's it's doesn't seem like it's

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going to be getting any better any time

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soon I you know I moved out of

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California in 2010 or 2011 in Northern

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California but still there even you know

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they're they're threatened up that's

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that's work arrow dice happened last you

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know and that was horrible I mean you

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know it's going to be with us for awhile

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but we have to change certainly we have

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changed some of our habits I'll tell you

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one of the things we did just right

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immediately after we were evacuated last

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year my wife and I each bought a top

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level scanner that could scan photos

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fast and documents and we just started

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scanning our office and our lives up

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because that the most horrible thing

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about the evacuation last year was we

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hadn't done any of that we didn't know

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where anything was and you know you get

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five minutes to get out yeah and there's

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not really time to grab it a photo album

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or two and I just didn't want this year

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if I lost my house I didn't want to lose

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my memories so we scanned up a bunch of

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stuff and we're better also you have a

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suitcase ready to go when the time comes

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yeah you have your cars full of gas in

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case you need to go so you know we start

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to do that but a lot of us here where

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I'm living you know we have multiple

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things to worry about we have the

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earthquake to worry about yeah we have

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fires to worry about we have floods to

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worry about when it rains after the

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fires and yet it's still and yet

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sometimes it feels like paradise here so

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oh yeah yeah that's a good yeah when the

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weather is beautiful out there you just

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can't beat it it's just a it's just

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nothing like it

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I want you to you did a series we talked

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about it in the last time briefly but

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dark skies that was a that was a real

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interesting one can you tell how you got

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involved in that well you know it's it's

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funny I look it was the greatest

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creative experience of my career I

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really really enjoyed it it was

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obviously the most important UFO project

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that I've done although I've talked

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about it a lot over the years but my my

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partner on that Brent Friedman and I

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literally at the time we created that

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which now is over two decades in the

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past so it's not like a contemporary

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credit but it sort of has like a good

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wine it's even improved with age because

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it was prescient about a few things that

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needed to be talked about but what Brent

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and I thought at the time because I was

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just really starting to bring my my game

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up on the topic of UFO so I knew enough

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to be dangerous but I also knew a lot

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about the Kennedy assassination and we

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thought well these are the two great

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conspiracy theories of our our time what

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if we put them in an atom collider and

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let them go boom and see what happens so

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we made a television series that in

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essence is all about John Kennedy being

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killed because he was going to tell the

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truth about UFOs in his second term

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which is one of the craziest things to

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get on television on a broadcast network

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back then and yet we did it and at the

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time that we did it we thought it was

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pretty much an original idea and now you

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you read more and more about it partly

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because we encouraged it into the

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zeitgeist but I think they're rather I

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think behold a pale horse now that book

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mentioned it I didn't know it at the

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time but I've since seen it anyway

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so did apropos of some of the things we

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might want to talk about today because I

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think it's really an important way to

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look at the UFO question what we decided

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to ask ourselves is okay let's go back

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to 1947

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we know that Kenneth Arnold pretty much

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saw what he saw but could have been

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anything

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do we believe Roswell do we believe that

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Roswell was an event that included the

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crash of something that was not made by

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the United States or the Soviet Union

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and we thought we do believe that so

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then we we sort of jumped ahead and said

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if that was true and we believe it is

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then the fact that we weren't talking

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about it in the 50s or the 60s or the

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70s or the 80s means that somebody else

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was talking about it and we thought

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let's shine the light on the people who

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would be talking about that in the 1960s

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so we built a series around majestic 12

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and you know with Roswell as the source

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that informed it all and that's kind of

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the birth of dark skies yeah that's

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well you think about it you know no one

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really talked about Roswell you know

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that shortly after it happened and then

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all the way up until you know Stan

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Friedman kind of cracked it open again

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when he spoke with who am I thinking

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Jesse Marcel yeah Jesse Marcel well in

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fact you know first of all shout out to

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Stan Friedman who's left us this year

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tremendous influence in ufology great

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guy

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I literally option Stan's book back

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during dark skies his top secret magic

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book and I wasn't able to set it up at

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the time but I revisited it a few years

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back and re optioned it plus his life

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rights Plus John Schmidt's life rights

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plus Don Schmidt's book witness to

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Roswell and sort of did the old atom

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Collider thing again and put them into

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an atom Collider and to tell a story

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about the race to break the Roswell

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story and I got to know Stanton quite

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well and here you know he for those

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people who have heard him speak on the

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circuit after a while you sort of you

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know you got the stand stories down but

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what was great for me is I was able to

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sit him in a chair and like pin him down

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for over 30 hours of talks where

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he'd start to tell me one of the stories

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that you might hear and the lecture and

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I'd go yeah I know that story but and

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then I would take him back to something

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else and I really got to know him on a

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personal level and also some of his

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professional thoughts that didn't as

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often get widely shared and I really

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enjoyed that relationship that movie is

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still alive we're trying to find a way

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to get it it's just you know what it's

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just hard to make make anything even

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though there's more production going on

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it's hard and the UFO topic has its own

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set of rules here in Hollywood just like

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you know you'd imagine some people are

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able from time to time to pierce that

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veil I hope to be one of them on some of

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these projects you mentioned but it's

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not always easy and it's not always a

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straight line so what do you envision

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something with Stan Friedman's

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information what are you envisioning on

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creating is it something you said you

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put it in with Don Schmidt's work yeah

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all that here's what I thought that was

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so intriguing I sort of stumbled across

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this you know in during my travels if

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you will the I've been reading all the

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stuff that Stan and Don had published

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over the years and what was interesting

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to me in the 90s these guys were in

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basically a shooting war with each other

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I mean stand with publish an article and

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Don would snipe at it and then a stand

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with snipe at Don's article and people

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were picking sides and everything and I

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just thought well that's that's kind of

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intriguing because it's probably hard

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enough to prove that UFOs are real and

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then when you have to fight each other

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that just is doubling down on the

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difficulty factor which I think is still

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true of you followed you today I mean

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absolutely that the mirror talk you know

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bring up Tom DeLonge you'll get pros and

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cons that kind of thing so here's the

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thing that just made me as a writer

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though respond to it it turns out that

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and I don't know the exact year I think

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it might have been 94 but one of the

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funding sources that Stan and Don had

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each gone to to help fund their research

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trips to Roswell to talk to

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and interview witnesses this funding

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group said well we'll fund another trip

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but you guys need to work together and

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so Stan and Don took this legendary trip

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to interview Roswell witnesses in the

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90s even when they were busy in the

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public sphere attacking each other as

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narrative wells who didn't know anything

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about anything so I just thought it was

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very funny it's like the it's like I

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thought it was the spoonful of sugar way

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to tell the Roswell story to to sort of

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deflect and let people focus on the

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charm of the two characters having to

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share a motel when they basically are

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fighting and you know and and you know

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Don always comes across as the guy with

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the beautifully the the the nice suit

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with this tie perfectly tied and Stan

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looks a little dishevel right yeah so

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you can imagine in the hotel room what

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that might have been like

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so anyway built that around that and

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that project which is had to be retitled

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it's now called the crash and we are

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actively trying to get that made so yeah

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wow that's fascinating that'll be

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exciting if you do that that's so well

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you know I almost here's the thing we

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talked about it before we went on it's

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part of me wants to tell everybody about

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these things that I'm working on because

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you know I'm a writer producer and I get

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excited and I want to talk about the

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things that excite me and what the

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things I'm working on things I'm writing

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about but then the other part is nothing

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ever happens right this is Hollywood

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it's it's hard to raise money sure it's

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hard to make a film about UFOs because

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the people who might give you the money

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have their own way of looking at it and

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they may not look at it the same way you

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look at it so it gets really hard and I

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don't like to go on your show and talk

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about something and then you know I I

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always get this because I'm sure it'll

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happen again today we're talking about

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it right now and somebody will write me

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an email saying now we're at what

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theaters can I see your movie in right

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now and well basically the answer is you

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can't

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yeah the movies not made we're trying to

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get it made and believe me when it is

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made I'll probably come to your house

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and tell you what theater you can watch

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well there's a lot of moving parts of

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these

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types of things when it comes to

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anything like that as you know and you

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know I've done it several screen tests

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and and have been involved in some

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pictures for you know in the antiques

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world not in the in the UFO world but

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for different shows and you know they

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may even make a pilot but to actually

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get something launched and going there's

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a that's a that's a long process and

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this if you make it you it's it's it's

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very true although here's the

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interesting thing

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I've been lucky I've had five primetime

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series that I created get on the air

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that's a mom and they all happen

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relatively fast on top of each other and

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I got to the place where though wow this

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is great so you just write a script and

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they make a television series but you

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know that was just sort of my early run

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of luck and then you run into the real

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world again you know and you know you go

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it's all percentages you know many many

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writers have written dozens if not a

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hundred pilots in their lives you know

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and never had any of them made that's

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where they had an eight but they didn't

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get ordered it's a series now I also

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have kind of another life I was the

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chairman of the television Academy the

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people that give out the Emmy Awards for

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a couple of years notably during 9/11

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when we had to cancel them but the

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interesting thing is television is

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exploding exponentially there were

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eleven thousand members when I ran the

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organization and was its CEO back in

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2003 and now there are 25,000 all right

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so that's a pretty explosive growth the

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amount of television series just a you

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know not not even quite a decade ago

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with something like two hundred plus and

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now it's like four hundred and seventy

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eight or some number like that so we're

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we're in an explosion of material that's

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being made and yet you would you would

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think that it would make it easy to get

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other new material and other ideas in

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there but it's actually not that way

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because they the streaming services

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there is no streaming service that wants

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to say yeah bring us the stuff that

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Netflix wouldn't buy you know nobody

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feels like that they're like hey we only

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want to hear from you if you've got a

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top actor attached or something like

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that so it's just as hard as it ever was

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but the difference is even more people

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are playing in the game so I don't know

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I don't know what that means for all of

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us

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numbers and the fact I've been doing

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this for a few years to get a few UFO

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themed projects you know out there

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because I think the time I mean we'll

436
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probably talk about this but the time

437
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could never be better to try to bring a

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few fact-based alien pieces because oh

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you know not everything has to be an

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alien invasion not everything has to be

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an alien onboard a spacecraft that's

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eating people one by one sometimes there

443
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are great cases like the Roswell case

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that should be explored properly and

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another thing I have under option is the

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captured book also by Stan Freedman but

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with Kathy Mardon righteous about the

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ambani hill which I I really think I

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hope to get lucky soon with that because

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I just think there's just not a better

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case it's right it's all about the first

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it's the first people that claimed

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abduction here in the United States it's

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the first people that had missing time

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it's the first people that got

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hypnotized I mean it's a great case and

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all that and they're dealing with racism

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and an interracial marriage so that's

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right it's got I know another thing you

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mentioned in just about two and a half

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minutes we have to go to break here but

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another thing you mentioned is you know

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the different ways to get things out

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there and there's so many ways to get

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something out there you you look back

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you know years ago when we you and I

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were both young

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there was like five channels and then so

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many people watching those five channels

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and now it's spread out I mean our

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populations higher yes and all that but

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everything is spread out you have less

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viewership with so much going on in so

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many ways to access

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let's cycle that back to the dark skies

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scenario the numbers the ratings the

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dark skies had

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on a Saturday night where we basically

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got no promotion and we kept getting

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preempted and things like that

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yet the numbers that we had there would

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have made us a super hit on almost any

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streaming service right now

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we were we were no I don't it I can't

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remember we won our time slot we did a

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few times but the numbers that used to

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exist in a three Network universe were

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huge and now you can have a hit you know

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every most of your friends probably have

490
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heard of Breaking Bad but I guarantee

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you not everyone has there's lots of

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people that would go yeah I don't know I

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never heard I maybe I heard something

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about that so we've lost the ability

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that we used to have when there were

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three networks were literally you go to

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work the next day and everybody would

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say did you see that Gilligan's Island

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man was that funny well we don't have

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that now you can watch the funniest damn

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thing that was ever created in the

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history of television and nobody will

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have seen unless they're talking about

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it on reddit yeah you know something

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like that Rotten Tomatoes and you know

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all that type of thing it all has it all

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has a plate in here of course yeah I

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think I'm gonna go to break early since

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we're kind of pausing at this point so

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we will be back in a few minutes

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everyone so hang in there and we will be

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race

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ray see you there I got a bad feeling

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about this race come back to us

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earth to race earth to race please come

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in okay you know when that w my Mike I

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needed to make sure I remember I do it

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okay guys we've got three minutes of

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this break okay excellent

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so let's see in the three minutes we'll

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talk about well we really you know we

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really are not staying on or going back

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to any topic that we were talking about

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previously but well in the three minutes

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that we do have here let's let's talk

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about UFO sightings in your area do you

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are you aware of any in particular

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current sightings are just in historical

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I mean how long have you lived there

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actually I've lived out in Southern

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California for almost 30 years now and

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and you know historically Los Angeles

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Southern California has been has had

534
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more than its share of really intriguing

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sightings and you know but I'll tell you

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something Martin what's really intrigued

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me is because people know me as the UFO

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guy in my circle right so people know

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that if they talk to me about certain

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things I won't laugh at them because how

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could I I'm writing about these things

542
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,860
and all that so I've had people over the

543
00:23:36,009 --> 00:23:32,240
years telling me interesting stories

544
00:23:40,269 --> 00:23:36,019
here's one that comes from my plumber he

545
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,279
was working on a sink and he said so

546
00:23:45,009 --> 00:23:42,080
you're the guy that did that dark sky

547
00:23:47,889 --> 00:23:45,019
show I said yeah I mean he said you know

548
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:47,899
when I was like 10 years old 12 years

549
00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:51,730
old he was going to school on Wilshire

550
00:23:56,259 --> 00:23:53,960
elementary school on Wilshire here in

551
00:24:01,289 --> 00:23:56,269
the middle of Los Angeles and he said on

552
00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:01,299
a on a break over 200 kids saw a

553
00:24:09,129 --> 00:24:06,230
metallic cylindrical wingless craft you

554
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:09,139
know maybe 500 feet up hovering over the

555
00:24:13,149 --> 00:24:11,960
playground the teachers all saw it the

556
00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:13,159
kids all saw it

557
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:15,470
he went home that night and he told his

558
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,330
parents and they said well that'll be

559
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:18,559
great we'll read about in the paper

560
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:19,410
tomorrow well then

561
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:21,570
morning came it wasn't in the paper and

562
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:22,860
you know what his parents told him they

563
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:25,380
said never talk to anybody about this

564
00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:26,730
they'll think you're weird

565
00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:29,310
right so that's what happens with a lot

566
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:31,350
of great cases right and yet that was

567
00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:34,530
the story where I mean I think if that

568
00:24:40,220 --> 00:24:37,980
happened today now it wouldn't be buried

569
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:40,230
quite like that I think it because more

570
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:42,690
people would be posting on social media

571
00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:44,820
about it but right there's a really

572
00:24:47,330 --> 00:24:46,950
great siding and really think it gone

573
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:47,340
away

574
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:49,170
answer the question though I don't spend

575
00:24:53,180 --> 00:24:50,930
a lot of time keeping up on the latest

576
00:24:57,970 --> 00:24:53,190
particular sightings because I'm not

577
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:57,980
essentially a researcher you know I I

578
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:01,440
have opinions but but I don't do a lot

579
00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:03,720
of original research I do a lot of

580
00:25:08,660 --> 00:25:06,600
reading a lot of thinking a lot of

581
00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:08,670
writing but you know not so much going

582
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,740
out in the field and talking to anybody

583
00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:12,960
about anything I probably should I'm

584
00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:15,630
sure it's fun well yeah yeah I mean I

585
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:17,310
don't do I don't do any of that myself

586
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:19,380
either you know to speak of but I love

587
00:25:24,770 --> 00:25:22,050
to hear you talk about your plumber I

588
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,780
love to hear stories from people like

589
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:26,640
that you know some of that is not

590
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:29,400
involved in the UFO field race we going

591
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:33,930
back in should be five minutes sir we're

592
00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:35,730
ready to go whenever you are we are

593
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,190
ready here well I've got five seconds

594
00:25:42,770 --> 00:25:39,600
here and then I can count you down all

595
00:25:47,470 --> 00:25:42,780
right sounds good all right yeah all

596
00:25:51,170 --> 00:25:47,480
right here we go me in five four three

597
00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:51,180
two all right welcome back my guest

598
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:54,750
tonight is Bryce Zabel and we are

599
00:26:01,700 --> 00:25:58,880
talking UFOs etc films and all that and

600
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:01,710
we were sort of a you know basically

601
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:03,210
toward the end of the conversation

602
00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:05,850
before the break we were talking about

603
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:09,540
you know how difficult it is to you know

604
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:11,730
get something launched when it comes to

605
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:15,210
filmmaking and all that there's and it's

606
00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:16,770
hard to sell to I mean you have to

607
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:19,380
almost don't you almost have to even if

608
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:22,170
you get you know producers that'll

609
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:24,090
that'll back you don't show off that I

610
00:26:27,260 --> 00:26:25,710
almost have to have something pre-sold

611
00:26:29,540 --> 00:26:27,270
or an idea which how are you gonna

612
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:29,550
market it eventually or do you try go

613
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:32,460
you know what my experience is just

614
00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:32,880
there's

615
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:36,390
and ways to sell something right and so

616
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:37,890
I would never tell anyone there's a

617
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:40,170
right way or wrong way to do it I will

618
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:43,170
say that like like a lot of businesses

619
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:44,820
where there's a lot of money on the line

620
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:48,330
people are risk averse right so the less

621
00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:50,070
money you spend on the project the more

622
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:51,390
they're willing to probably let you

623
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:53,970
freelance a little bit the more money

624
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:55,410
that gets spent on the project and

625
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:56,970
people want to know is this gonna work

626
00:27:02,540 --> 00:26:58,770
am I gonna get some of my money back

627
00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:02,550
right so that does cause people to look

628
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:05,160
at a project through different eyes in

629
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:07,050
other words I don't think there's too

630
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:08,580
many people running around Hollywood

631
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:11,610
that know like you do and I do and your

632
00:27:17,780 --> 00:27:14,490
your audience does about what's really

633
00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:17,790
going on in the in the ufology situation

634
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:19,470
right now they don't really know about

635
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:21,150
the only thing they know about Tom

636
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:25,380
DeLonge is he is blink 182 the you know

637
00:27:30,170 --> 00:27:27,810
they've heard basically maybe there was

638
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:30,180
maybe they heard tucker carlson talk

639
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:32,220
about it or whatever but they're not

640
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:33,930
they're not really dialed in to it

641
00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:37,320
alright and and so what I in anytime I'm

642
00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:39,420
in somebody's office talking about UFOs

643
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:42,660
the first hurdle I have to always get

644
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:45,900
over is somebody will disco so you you

645
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:49,080
really believe in this UFO stuff well

646
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:51,090
that's a hell of a beginning because

647
00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:53,250
what it means is I'm not only there to

648
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:55,320
pitch this story but I have to overcome

649
00:27:59,960 --> 00:27:58,140
their objection to even thinking that

650
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:59,970
it's because they think it's just a

651
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:01,860
science fiction piece so from their

652
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:03,690
point of view you know you could pitch

653
00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:06,570
and this has happened I yeah you could

654
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:08,550
pitch I don't know I mean you could

655
00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:10,620
pitch the less we talked about the

656
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:12,540
Roswell story or Betty and Barney and

657
00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:14,700
get a note from somebody saying well

658
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:18,540
this Barney have to be black well yeah I

659
00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:22,110
mean because he was right so you just

660
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:24,180
have people that look at it like just a

661
00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:26,610
story that's a malleable story right

662
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:30,150
where we know and your audience knows

663
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:32,970
this is the real deal something has been

664
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:35,700
going on probably for thousands of years

665
00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:36,690
all right

666
00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:39,060
but for sure with some relative

667
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:43,080
intensity since the 40s yeah and for

668
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:45,690
reasons that are still a little obscure

669
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:46,860
its managed

670
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:50,760
to be covered up or deflected from the

671
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:53,460
public sphere of discussion all these

672
00:28:58,880 --> 00:28:56,730
years and so now we sit in this

673
00:29:00,860 --> 00:28:58,890
netherworld where if you really pay a

674
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:00,870
lot of attention to the topic you know

675
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:02,850
damn well something's going on yeah I

676
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:07,320
mean something is going on period all

677
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:10,440
right we know this but if you go outside

678
00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:13,559
and go talk to the people you know at

679
00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:15,870
your local grocery store they probably

680
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:18,030
don't really think about it like you do

681
00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:20,130
here it is the most transformational

682
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:22,830
thing that could ever enter into your

683
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,360
brain and blow your mind

684
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:26,580
and we don't talk about it it's

685
00:29:31,580 --> 00:29:28,710
unbelievable lots of people are gonna go

686
00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:31,590
to Thanksgiving dinner in from the time

687
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:33,540
that we're talking right now in a couple

688
00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:36,809
of days and you know what it won't even

689
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:39,270
come up for most people all right I mean

690
00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:43,350
for most discussion nobody will discuss

691
00:29:47,539 --> 00:29:45,270
the fact that we're not alone and the

692
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:47,549
evidence is there not out there but

693
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:49,740
they're here interacting with us right

694
00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:52,290
now well we don't talk about that now

695
00:29:56,299 --> 00:29:54,750
how crazy is that and if you dare to

696
00:29:59,180 --> 00:29:56,309
talk about it at your Thanksgiving

697
00:30:02,210 --> 00:29:59,190
dinner this year I guarantee you your

698
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:02,220
chances are at least 60% you will be

699
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,720
treated like the drunk uncle at a

700
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:06,480
wedding you know the guy that said that

701
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:08,820
extra too many glasses of champagne and

702
00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:12,360
needs to sit down and I find this to be

703
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:14,580
the craziest thing that I've ever

704
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:18,330
encountered in my life and III think as

705
00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:20,820
I get older I get more frustrated by it

706
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:24,750
because I would like to believe that we

707
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:26,610
at least are going to publicly owned up

708
00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:28,890
to this in my lifetime I don't think

709
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:30,900
that's too much to ask you know I think

710
00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:33,330
that the idea that we could all sort of

711
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:35,790
acknowledge that it's real and then

712
00:30:39,650 --> 00:30:37,590
start talking about what to do about it

713
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:39,660
I don't know why that's so radical that

714
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:42,120
seems like a pretty pragmatic thing to

715
00:30:46,330 --> 00:30:44,460
do now I guess you could argue well the

716
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:46,340
truth may be so freaking unbelievable

717
00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:49,679
and so disturbing that we don't dare

718
00:30:55,780 --> 00:30:51,870
talk to people about it but I reject

719
00:31:00,150 --> 00:30:55,790
that I mean the truth is if the truth is

720
00:31:04,110 --> 00:31:00,160
got a little blackness over it

721
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:04,120
it's still the truth yeah so you know we

722
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:05,890
don't really have the option

723
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:08,410
I think of waiting any longer the planet

724
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,650
is in disarray politically the the

725
00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:14,080
climate is changing in a way that's very

726
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:16,900
problematic for our own survival even

727
00:31:24,299 --> 00:31:21,809
and if if indeed there are other

728
00:31:26,490 --> 00:31:24,309
intelligences interacting with us I

729
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:26,500
think we better get on with that one -

730
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:31,590
yeah last week I had dr. Jeffrey Bennett

731
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:34,809
astrophysicist on and a good part of his

732
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,440
talk was about climate change and the

733
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:39,760
reason I'm just bringing that up you

734
00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:41,770
just mentioned it but I have to tell you

735
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,270
I don't believe there's ever been a time

736
00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:46,480
where I've gotten more email about that

737
00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:49,990
topic then I then I have about you know

738
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:52,919
UFOs and mostly you know people are I

739
00:31:57,899 --> 00:31:54,970
hate to say it but there's a lot of

740
00:32:00,120 --> 00:31:57,909
people that are that don't want to look

741
00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:00,130
at it I'll just put it that way you know

742
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:02,380
are you doing about climate change

743
00:32:06,990 --> 00:32:04,020
well you know there are there are

744
00:32:09,659 --> 00:32:07,000
similarities between climate change and

745
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:09,669
UFOs tell me about that because someone

746
00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:12,370
asked me about that well I mean I mean

747
00:32:17,730 --> 00:32:14,980
you know and again I don't wish to

748
00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:17,740
incite public political violence on your

749
00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:20,830
show or anything but let's just let's

750
00:32:24,539 --> 00:32:23,590
just make it as basic as we can you take

751
00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:24,549
climate change

752
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:26,830
you take UFOs the similarity between

753
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:29,710
these two issues is that they have the

754
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:32,039
evidence appears to say that they exist

755
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:33,190
okay

756
00:32:39,419 --> 00:32:36,100
yet there is trouble in the public

757
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:39,429
sphere discussing them mm-hmm so we

758
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:41,830
watch these things get more complicated

759
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:46,690
and unsolvable and we don't address them

760
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:50,200
so I do think one of the things that

761
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:55,710
would certainly be be good is if out of

762
00:33:00,600 --> 00:32:57,970
whatever's going on in our world right

763
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:00,610
now that the idea that we want to

764
00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:02,890
embrace what's really happening what

765
00:33:08,580 --> 00:33:05,140
truth is would be a good thing

766
00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:08,590
you know we if it's clear we can argue

767
00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:11,020
what causes climate change but I think

768
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:13,270
is not the debate already settled that

769
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:13,930
it's happening

770
00:33:18,210 --> 00:33:16,240
I mean I I didn't used to have to

771
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:18,220
evacuate my house every year or get

772
00:33:23,730 --> 00:33:20,050
ready every year and now I do so

773
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:23,740
something's happening and the same with

774
00:33:29,850 --> 00:33:26,770
UFOs if you pay attention I mean what

775
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:29,860
more do you need the US Navy says

776
00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:33,010
they're real mm-hmm what more what more

777
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,840
do we need the only thing that I like

778
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:37,360
about that by the way is that when I do

779
00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:40,510
start talking about it on Thanksgiving I

780
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:42,580
may not be treated like the drunk uncle

781
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:44,770
at the wedding because some of these

782
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:49,360
people will say oh yeah so yeah I read

783
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:50,980
something about that what's going on

784
00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:51,940
okay

785
00:33:58,170 --> 00:33:54,220
now that's where I think it's great yeah

786
00:34:00,840 --> 00:33:58,180
is that I get to say well are you were

787
00:34:02,550 --> 00:34:00,850
you now let's go back to 2017 did you

788
00:34:04,050 --> 00:34:02,560
read that New York Times article no I

789
00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:04,060
didn't well let me tell you what that's

790
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:04,540
about

791
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:06,370
another thing that I do by the way for

792
00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:09,419
for people is I maintain a pretty large

793
00:34:14,669 --> 00:34:12,700
library of UFO books and I have

794
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:14,679
duplicates of a number that I think are

795
00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:16,450
really good and I'll loan them out to

796
00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:18,669
people so if somebody asked me on

797
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:19,780
Thanksgiving about it

798
00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:21,310
I'm gonna run upstairs to my collection

799
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:23,830
and grab a copy of something and run it

800
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:25,630
downstairs and and give it to them and

801
00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:27,730
say why don't you read this and then

802
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:30,220
call me and let's discuss it because I

803
00:34:33,870 --> 00:34:31,990
think we have got to get this into the

804
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:33,880
public sphere one way or the other and

805
00:34:39,570 --> 00:34:36,490
the you know change tends to be not

806
00:34:42,659 --> 00:34:39,580
top-down it isn't gonna be probably the

807
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:42,669
head of the Pentagon announcing it we're

808
00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:46,000
gonna have to from the ground up change

809
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,390
the the situation on the ground so that

810
00:34:53,399 --> 00:34:52,000
the people up above feel like if we do

811
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:53,409
talk about this openly

812
00:34:59,370 --> 00:34:56,560
we will not screw everything up I mean

813
00:35:01,770 --> 00:34:59,380
yeah that's all right look yeah I had I

814
00:35:04,350 --> 00:35:01,780
mentioned this briefly on a show a while

815
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:04,360
ago I spoke with someone in my

816
00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:08,650
professional world and through antiques

817
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:10,900
actually in art he was having me look at

818
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:12,910
some things that he wanted to sell and

819
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:15,610
he said that he was with the in the Navy

820
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:17,800
for 30 years recently retired and he

821
00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:21,010
used to the last job for many years he

822
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:23,590
was out in California at some base

823
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,240
southern in Southern California and had

824
00:35:31,820 --> 00:35:29,760
to do with flight control or something

825
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:31,830
like that and so I mentioned to him you

826
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:34,440
know just to see his reaction I say hey

827
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,450
did you see the you know Navy announced

828
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:38,880
you know that they're gonna be looking

829
00:35:42,980 --> 00:35:41,130
into UFOs or can report UFOs and he said

830
00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:42,990
well you know I used to see we used to

831
00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:44,790
see these things on radar that would

832
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,070
appear and disappear and do all these

833
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:49,920
unusual maneuvers but he says but I just

834
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,990
thought they were experimental the

835
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:54,480
aircraft from the local where he he

836
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:56,490
mentioned some base they may have come

837
00:36:00,920 --> 00:35:58,530
right but that's all that's you know

838
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:00,930
that's all he he just assumed that but

839
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:02,700
you know what and and you know what I

840
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:04,920
would say to that person I'd say well

841
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:08,250
you know that's probably a pretty good

842
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:10,950
assumption when you see the things

843
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:13,110
flying around right now that exceed our

844
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:16,800
ability to comprehend how they do that

845
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:18,690
because we don't have aircraft that do

846
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:22,140
those things you still might say well it

847
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:24,119
might be secret technology that we've

848
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:26,700
got or the Russians or the Chinese but

849
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:29,400
then you say do you think anybody had it

850
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:31,710
back in 1947 when they were doing the

851
00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:33,690
same thing yeah do you think when these

852
00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:35,670
things were flying around Washington DC

853
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:40,080
in 1952 that that somebody had that

854
00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:42,300
ability back then I don't think so

855
00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:45,540
yeah so you know we just have to keep

856
00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:48,750
keep moving ahead I'll tell you my are

857
00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:50,540
we about to go to a break no no we

858
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:53,790
jumped 10 10 years here's here's just

859
00:36:58,700 --> 00:36:56,520
something that is something that I'm

860
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:58,710
kind of intrigued that we haven't done

861
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:01,020
more of which is we're in the middle of

862
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:03,690
a presidential campaign more candidates

863
00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:06,180
than ever before out running around Iowa

864
00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:08,760
and New Hampshire and South Carolina and

865
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:11,070
Nevada and they're all holding town

866
00:37:18,260 --> 00:37:15,119
halls and they all accept questions from

867
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:18,270
the audience so for all these millions

868
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:20,700
of people who actually think of

869
00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:23,850
themselves as UFO knowledgeable or UFO

870
00:37:28,070 --> 00:37:26,070
activists why aren't they going to some

871
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:28,080
of these town halls and asking questions

872
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:31,650
that are respectful questions saying are

873
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:33,810
you aware that the u.s. Navy has

874
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:36,660
released these three videos and that the

875
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,480
US Navy now confirms that unidentified

876
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,800
aerial phenomenon

877
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:42,300
are something they're looking into and

878
00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:44,030
they're working on reporting procedures

879
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:48,540
so mr. or mrs. candidate my question to

880
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,090
you is will you support congressional

881
00:37:54,860 --> 00:37:53,280
hearings on this topic and will you

882
00:37:57,380 --> 00:37:54,870
dedicate yourself to government

883
00:38:00,020 --> 00:37:57,390
transparency on the topic why don't we

884
00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:00,030
have somebody why is not one person

885
00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:02,820
asked that in any of these town halls

886
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:07,190
and why are we not writing these these

887
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:11,280
reporters who are asking questions at

888
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:12,000
debates

889
00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:14,910
why aren't they asking about this why is

890
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:17,070
the fact that there are things flying

891
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:19,380
around that interfere with nuclear

892
00:38:25,610 --> 00:38:23,400
weapons why is that not something that

893
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:25,620
should be discussed in a presidential

894
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:28,440
debate or at a town hall I don't get it

895
00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:31,920
and I'll tell you something I have a my

896
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:34,350
own little Twitter presence or whatever

897
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:37,310
and I've noticed that when I tweet about

898
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:39,720
you know can't wait for the truth to

899
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:44,220
come out on you know UFO reality and I

900
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:46,140
put a nice picture with it I get a lot

901
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:48,420
of likes and you know and I get a lot of

902
00:38:53,780 --> 00:38:51,750
comments and all that but when I say why

903
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:53,790
doesn't somebody go to a town hall and

904
00:39:00,910 --> 00:38:58,050
ask a candidate about UFOs no I don't

905
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:00,920
kill hardly anything so I just go like

906
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:03,540
what I think needs to be happening right

907
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:08,190
now is that UFO reality UAP reality has

908
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:11,610
to switch and start taking in some of

909
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:15,960
those public activist tactics that have

910
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:18,900
existed for various social issues

911
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:22,170
whether is women's suffrage or the civil

912
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:26,160
rights movement or anti war or whatever

913
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:29,130
these are political social movements

914
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:32,520
where are we with this UFO thing we

915
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:34,650
should be we should be pushing forward

916
00:39:39,850 --> 00:39:37,710
the relatable storylines and asking our

917
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,860
representatives why they won't

918
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:42,000
investigate it and you could say well

919
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:43,500
they'll never investigate it because no

920
00:39:47,470 --> 00:39:45,000
one will tell but that's not the point

921
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:47,480
is it the point is not that the

922
00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:50,810
candidates will get it and not that the

923
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:53,070
congressional people will understand it

924
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:53,640
immediately

925
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:54,810
it's that will

926
00:39:59,210 --> 00:39:57,060
force people to talk about it and it'll

927
00:40:01,640 --> 00:39:59,220
get into the national dialogue in the

928
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:01,650
international dialogue and slowly but

929
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:03,990
surely this will become something that

930
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:06,330
people can talk about in open public

931
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,730
forums that's what I look for

932
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:11,040
yeah really interesting no I remember

933
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:14,370
Hillary Clinton was actually in New

934
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,480
Hampshire yeah for the 2016

935
00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:20,880
she was campaigning there and was I

936
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:22,080
don't know if you heard but she was

937
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,030
asked by a reporter the very thing

938
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:26,160
you're talking about oh absolutely yeah

939
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:28,730
and well I actually had him on the show

940
00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:32,910
briefly right after that but yeah 2016

941
00:40:40,070 --> 00:40:37,260
campaign was vastly better for you ap

942
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:40,080
reality disclosure issues because you

943
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:41,880
had Hillary Clinton saying all talk

944
00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:44,610
about yeah and all Podesta and and this

945
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:46,590
has been a disappointing year when

946
00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:49,290
there's more going on than ever more

947
00:40:55,070 --> 00:40:52,950
things to discuss and you know the

948
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:55,080
Democratic debates are plowing the

949
00:40:59,360 --> 00:40:57,720
territory of Medicare for all ad nauseam

950
00:41:01,400 --> 00:40:59,370
and I'm not saying that's not an

951
00:41:03,350 --> 00:41:01,410
important issue it certainly is an

952
00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:03,360
important issue what health care people

953
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:06,420
are gonna have but I would also think if

954
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,250
we're worried about safety and security

955
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:11,520
and health care I think if somebody can

956
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:15,030
turn off a nuclear weapon at will yeah

957
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:17,850
that's a safety issue I don't know why

958
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:20,580
we're not looking into it so just ants

959
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:22,950
off to any of those like Mark Walker I

960
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:25,980
guess a Republican congressman has been

961
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,140
active in trying to push for those kind

962
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:29,760
of things I think it's it's smart we

963
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:32,370
need to do that yeah well there's also

964
00:41:39,830 --> 00:41:37,470
you know of our or any of the possible

965
00:41:42,860 --> 00:41:39,840
you know encounters when when commercial

966
00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:42,870
or you know planes are involved in

967
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:45,750
there's you know sky safety you know for

968
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:49,770
one any and why that's not taken more

969
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,110
seriously you know right there it's but

970
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:55,200
see I I think though that that's that's

971
00:42:00,980 --> 00:41:59,040
the essence of it the way in to the barn

972
00:42:05,330 --> 00:42:00,990
the way to get your head into that barn

973
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:05,340
is through air safety and nuclear

974
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:08,040
weapons security those are the issues

975
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:08,560
the

976
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:12,010
you can ask about in a public forum and

977
00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:15,430
say are you you know I'm not yeah and

978
00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:17,500
you can literally you can say look I'm

979
00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:19,270
not saying they're from another planet

980
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:21,940
but I'm saying that the US Navy says

981
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:22,750
they're not ours

982
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:27,040
so mr. or mrs. presidential candidate

983
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:29,530
what do you think about it I mean and

984
00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:31,810
you know to this date you know we at

985
00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:33,820
least had Hillary Clinton in 2016

986
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:36,580
talking about it this year to the best

987
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:39,010
of my knowledge we have Andrew yang

988
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:40,630
saying something casual at a

989
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:43,260
refrigerator in a New Hampshire

990
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:46,330
newspaper office and maybe somebody else

991
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:48,610
and I can't remember who that was and

992
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:51,760
just casual comments so I don't know so

993
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:54,070
there that's my soapbox but again it's

994
00:42:58,290 --> 00:42:56,080
boring apparently because nobody thinks

995
00:43:00,570 --> 00:42:58,300
we should do those things but I do I

996
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:00,580
think it's a political issue now I think

997
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,390
we are moving rapidly into what Richard

998
00:43:09,780 --> 00:43:06,400
Dolan and I wrote about in our book ad

999
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:09,790
after disclosure where we said it's you

1000
00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:12,130
know it's it's not going to be a clean

1001
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:14,830
line it's gonna have ups and downs and

1002
00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:17,920
starts and stops and it's going to be a

1003
00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:20,350
little bit messy but we need to get on

1004
00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:23,620
with it I always quote dr. Strangelove

1005
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:27,070
where the general says about he's

1006
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:28,630
talking about nuclear war but I always

1007
00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:31,690
think it applies to disclosure it's

1008
00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:34,630
general buck turgidson and he's thinking

1009
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:36,190
about nuclear war and he says I ain't

1010
00:43:41,490 --> 00:43:37,750
saying we're not gonna get our hair

1011
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:41,500
mussed okay and that's I mean I think

1012
00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:44,380
that's the true statement we can make

1013
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:46,120
about what disclosure is gonna look like

1014
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:49,390
but it does us no good to wait waiting

1015
00:43:56,610 --> 00:43:52,110
serves nobody at this point I do think

1016
00:43:59,090 --> 00:43:56,620
it's a little dicey that Donald Trump

1017
00:44:02,280 --> 00:43:59,100
might become the disclosure president

1018
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:02,290
because he's just very unpredictable

1019
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:04,570
obviously and I'm not trying to get in a

1020
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:06,550
political debate with anybody about

1021
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:09,580
anything just saying that'll be a dicey

1022
00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:11,740
thing when that happens but it really I

1023
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:13,900
think the issue is so large that it

1024
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:17,350
transcends the political occupants of

1025
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:19,150
the White House it's just one we have to

1026
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:21,310
get on with the world has to get on and

1027
00:44:24,209 --> 00:44:22,329
frankly

1028
00:44:26,429 --> 00:44:24,219
if the US can't get its act together to

1029
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:26,439
start talking about this openly then I'm

1030
00:44:31,979 --> 00:44:29,529
all in favor of France or Brazil or

1031
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:31,989
Russia or China getting the ball rolling

1032
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:34,329
you know let the Pope come out and start

1033
00:44:37,169 --> 00:44:35,410
it I don't care

1034
00:44:39,989 --> 00:44:37,179
somebody needs to get this thing going

1035
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,999
and it seems like the snowball effect -

1036
00:44:45,179 --> 00:44:42,640
with something like this and I was

1037
00:44:46,979 --> 00:44:45,189
thinking we're on that roll you know

1038
00:44:49,979 --> 00:44:46,989
ever since the New York Times article

1039
00:44:52,049 --> 00:44:49,989
came out back in 2017 and you know the

1040
00:44:53,339 --> 00:44:52,059
videos as you mentioned earlier and it

1041
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:53,349
just seemed like we were on a roll

1042
00:44:59,099 --> 00:44:55,660
things were happening fast and they'd

1043
00:45:01,169 --> 00:44:59,109
still like it little bits and pieces are

1044
00:45:03,329 --> 00:45:01,179
happening like you know we talked about

1045
00:45:07,229 --> 00:45:03,339
earlier the Navy you know looking for

1046
00:45:09,989 --> 00:45:07,239
ways to have the pilots report you know

1047
00:45:13,769 --> 00:45:09,999
encounters and things like that so there

1048
00:45:15,809 --> 00:45:13,779
is some type of momentum you know that

1049
00:45:17,819 --> 00:45:15,819
is happening but I don't I don't know

1050
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:17,829
where it's gonna go and and and you

1051
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:20,529
mentioned earlier that you're hoping in

1052
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:21,910
your lifetime

1053
00:45:27,539 --> 00:45:26,170
I do as well I hope that you know we'll

1054
00:45:31,169 --> 00:45:27,549
know more I don't know if we'll ever

1055
00:45:34,499 --> 00:45:31,179
though clearly know exactly what it is

1056
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:34,509
or who they are you know that part of it

1057
00:45:40,259 --> 00:45:38,170
may be really it are deployed it it's uh

1058
00:45:42,329 --> 00:45:40,269
it's that like that famous quote the

1059
00:45:44,699 --> 00:45:42,339
universe is not only stranger than we

1060
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:44,709
imagined it is stranger than we can

1061
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:45,369
imagine

1062
00:45:50,969 --> 00:45:49,119
hmm right so whatever whatever is the

1063
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:50,979
truth is gonna be kind of mind-blowing

1064
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:54,910
but I would say this and we said this

1065
00:45:58,919 --> 00:45:56,920
back when I was running the TV Academy

1066
00:46:01,259 --> 00:45:58,929
we had this phrase that we used which

1067
00:46:03,449 --> 00:46:01,269
was all of us together are smarter than

1068
00:46:05,429 --> 00:46:03,459
any one of us okay

1069
00:46:07,019 --> 00:46:05,439
now let's think about this issue where

1070
00:46:09,539 --> 00:46:07,029
you're saying we don't know exactly

1071
00:46:12,359 --> 00:46:09,549
what's going on and that's probably true

1072
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:12,369
it's probably true that even people who

1073
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:14,650
are quote in the know aren't as in the

1074
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:18,670
know as they'd like to be all right but

1075
00:46:24,269 --> 00:46:21,249
the way we've organized the world right

1076
00:46:27,449 --> 00:46:24,279
now we have very small compartmented

1077
00:46:30,989 --> 00:46:27,459
groups of people probably talking about

1078
00:46:33,269 --> 00:46:30,999
this and not talking in a global way to

1079
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,279
each other but talking on very specific

1080
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:35,920
things what we need is

1081
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:39,250
energize the scientific cultural

1082
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,950
political community that humanity

1083
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:44,319
represents and get everybody talking to

1084
00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:46,210
each other at once and I wouldn't be

1085
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:48,460
surprised if we can come up some with

1086
00:46:51,690 --> 00:46:50,049
some pretty good theories about what's

1087
00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:51,700
going on and some of them may be

1088
00:46:57,870 --> 00:46:54,700
disturbing but but I think if we get

1089
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,880
started it's better than not getting

1090
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:00,160
started certainly better for you and I

1091
00:47:06,690 --> 00:47:03,430
living to see this through Wow

1092
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:06,700
you know I just had a listener just text

1093
00:47:12,839 --> 00:47:09,880
me and say that there was supposed to be

1094
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:12,849
a supposedly a UFO sighting over the

1095
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:14,650
White House today did you

1096
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,710
whoa I haven't finally on the White

1097
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:19,839
House lawn no I haven't damn it here we

1098
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:21,640
are talking about this and we could have

1099
00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:23,410
been oh my god

1100
00:47:29,069 --> 00:47:26,500
know what maybe it's gonna take that

1101
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:29,079
maybe it will take that yeah I'll check

1102
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:31,240
out the news after the show but no I

1103
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:33,010
have not I've not heard that

1104
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:36,490
unfortunately yeah Alejandro wasn't in

1105
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:38,170
earlier he may have had some information

1106
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:40,210
about that but I have not looked into

1107
00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:43,660
that been pretty preoccupied here up and

1108
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:45,430
mean Wow

1109
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,329
this is this is great one of the things

1110
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:50,319
though I do want to tell you that I

1111
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,730
think is kind of funny and I mentioned

1112
00:47:59,730 --> 00:47:54,240
this a while back as I was watching a

1113
00:48:01,410 --> 00:47:59,740
1950s or 60s documentary about UFOs and

1114
00:48:04,109 --> 00:48:01,420
there was a guy in black and white and

1115
00:48:07,049 --> 00:48:04,119
and he was probably in his 50s at the

1116
00:48:08,759 --> 00:48:07,059
time and he's saying I just wanted you

1117
00:48:10,349 --> 00:48:08,769
know disclosure to happen in my lifetime

1118
00:48:12,779 --> 00:48:10,359
he didn't say disclosure but something

1119
00:48:15,299 --> 00:48:12,789
else right and of course and he just

1120
00:48:16,589 --> 00:48:15,309
thought I mean right now I feel like

1121
00:48:18,509 --> 00:48:16,599
something's really close

1122
00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:18,519
he felt like back then something's

1123
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,460
really cool you know you know I told you

1124
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,440
I have a good UFO library and one of the

1125
00:48:27,269 --> 00:48:25,599
things I've done is I've collected them

1126
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:27,279
over the years and I started doing this

1127
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:30,490
pre dark skies but when we got into dark

1128
00:48:34,289 --> 00:48:32,529
skies and we wanted to get the timeline

1129
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:34,299
together so that the show would have

1130
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:36,609
this internal consistency I started

1131
00:48:40,829 --> 00:48:38,380
putting the dates on the edges of the

1132
00:48:42,809 --> 00:48:40,839
books so and then arranging them on my

1133
00:48:44,970 --> 00:48:42,819
shelf in the date and/or the order of

1134
00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:44,980
their publishing so over the course of

1135
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:46,630
time as I've read through these books

1136
00:48:52,410 --> 00:48:49,270
you do see a trend where

1137
00:48:54,510 --> 00:48:52,420
people going back to the 50s

1138
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:54,520
going back to Donald Kehoe when he's

1139
00:48:59,880 --> 00:48:56,530
writing his books and he's talking about

1140
00:49:02,250 --> 00:48:59,890
disclosure is imminent he doesn't call

1141
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:02,260
it disclosure he calls it the silence

1142
00:49:08,190 --> 00:49:05,410
group that will break their silence but

1143
00:49:10,830 --> 00:49:08,200
people have been hoping for this change

1144
00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:10,840
and that's why I say we've got to also

1145
00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:12,460
start thinking of it now that we have a

1146
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:14,380
little more scientific information and

1147
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:16,510
we can start to disclose it to ourselves

1148
00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:18,810
we need to move ahead scientifically and

1149
00:49:25,290 --> 00:49:22,619
politically at the same time because

1150
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:25,300
simply just dumping on the world by the

1151
00:49:29,970 --> 00:49:27,490
way you know yeah some of those things

1152
00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:29,980
they're real it's going to cause our

1153
00:49:35,730 --> 00:49:32,500
hair getting must a little bit right so

1154
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:35,740
we need to have a political plan how

1155
00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:37,600
we're going to integrate this into our

1156
00:49:42,810 --> 00:49:39,790
society this very high degree of

1157
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:42,820
uncertainty it's going to bring and and

1158
00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:45,250
very little this it's very interesting

1159
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:46,900
because when Dolan and I were writing ad

1160
00:49:51,690 --> 00:49:49,510
after disclosure we would sit around and

1161
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:51,700
we we toss these ideas out to each other

1162
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:55,210
and we would say to ourselves quite

1163
00:50:00,270 --> 00:49:57,490
often I sure as hell hope somebody else

1164
00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:00,280
who actually knows some of the details

1165
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:02,380
about this is doing what we're doing

1166
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,270
right now because if they're not I'm

1167
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:06,880
worried I mean we need there's no

1168
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:10,270
evidence currently that anybody in the

1169
00:50:14,490 --> 00:50:12,130
know on the inside has actually been

1170
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:14,500
thinking about how society is going to

1171
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:17,050
shift and twist and turn when this all

1172
00:50:24,990 --> 00:50:22,230
starts to come out and I I do think I

1173
00:50:29,010 --> 00:50:25,000
think there's a 50/50 chance right now

1174
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:29,020
that you and I will see a and bi

1175
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:30,400
disclosure again I'm not saying the

1176
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:33,130
president goes out and lays it all out

1177
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:36,760
and hands out you know Tara by IR you

1178
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,730
know fifty gigabytes of photos to every

1179
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:41,440
reporter I don't think that's gonna

1180
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,170
happen anytime soon but by disclosure I

1181
00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:46,480
mean that general sense that all of us

1182
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:50,380
have that something is real we can it's

1183
00:50:54,859 --> 00:50:52,210
okay to talk about it now it's okay to

1184
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:54,869
study it and that we should have

1185
00:51:01,440 --> 00:50:58,720
transparent relations between government

1186
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,450
and science and academia and all that

1187
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,960
and try to get to the bottom of it

1188
00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:04,400
and I think we are getting closer to

1189
00:51:09,849 --> 00:51:06,260
that that's the only hope that I can

1190
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:09,859
hold on to right right we go to break in

1191
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:15,170
about two minutes here you know as far

1192
00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:16,550
as the government you know I've always

1193
00:51:21,069 --> 00:51:19,190
thought that it's possible that they may

1194
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:21,079
you know I well I think it's kind of

1195
00:51:26,260 --> 00:51:22,730
obvious that they probably know more

1196
00:51:28,990 --> 00:51:26,270
than we do because of the you know the

1197
00:51:32,349 --> 00:51:29,000
many cases where film was confiscated

1198
00:51:33,819 --> 00:51:32,359
and you know Russians like that but I've

1199
00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:33,829
always you know I've said this on the

1200
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,180
show a number of times I've always felt

1201
00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:37,280
that they probably don't really know any

1202
00:51:42,849 --> 00:51:40,550
more than we do of what it is just that

1203
00:51:43,540 --> 00:51:42,859
it is you know one you know thoughts

1204
00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:43,550
were on that

1205
00:51:52,329 --> 00:51:48,230
well I the two-minute version is that I

1206
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:52,339
don't think it's it's effective to say

1207
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,280
what they know in the government because

1208
00:51:59,410 --> 00:51:57,440
I don't think there's a universal

1209
00:52:02,950 --> 00:51:59,420
government that knows something about

1210
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:02,960
UFOs that's keeping that from us I think

1211
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:05,930
some people know more than others I

1212
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:07,970
think some people in government don't

1213
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:10,250
know a damn thing about it I think it's

1214
00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:14,329
a really mixed bag and obviously the

1215
00:52:18,819 --> 00:52:16,670
people that know the most have the the

1216
00:52:21,329 --> 00:52:18,829
biggest decision to make right now they

1217
00:52:23,770 --> 00:52:21,339
have to make a decision for the world

1218
00:52:26,289 --> 00:52:23,780
they have to decide whether they're

1219
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,299
gonna be on the side of transparency or

1220
00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:28,160
whether they're not you know you've got

1221
00:52:32,890 --> 00:52:30,380
to pick a side at this point and start

1222
00:52:36,819 --> 00:52:32,900
to to come clean about what you do know

1223
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,829
which is why you know I think all of us

1224
00:52:41,470 --> 00:52:39,200
who have had either seen something or

1225
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:41,480
had something happened to us have a

1226
00:52:46,210 --> 00:52:44,240
greater responsibility than ever to step

1227
00:52:48,819 --> 00:52:46,220
forward and start to talk about it so

1228
00:52:50,289 --> 00:52:48,829
just as a tease for what we might talk

1229
00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:50,299
later you know one of the things I've

1230
00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:53,660
been talking about more these days is

1231
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:55,849
what happened to us at dark skies where

1232
00:52:59,620 --> 00:52:58,010
we were approached by people who said

1233
00:53:04,420 --> 00:52:59,630
they were from the Office of Naval

1234
00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:04,430
Intelligence not the Air Force also my

1235
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:07,430
partner was friends with a member of the

1236
00:53:12,910 --> 00:53:09,530
Reagan cabinet who told them some

1237
00:53:16,450 --> 00:53:12,920
hair-raising stories about about aliens

1238
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:16,460
and UFOs and and just the sense that

1239
00:53:20,590 --> 00:53:18,710
those of us who have heard things we

1240
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:20,600
don't have to vouch for their truth or

1241
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:22,670
not truth we just have to vouch for what

1242
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:24,650
happened to us or what we know or what

1243
00:53:30,810 --> 00:53:27,050
we believe because we have to somehow

1244
00:53:34,810 --> 00:53:30,820
get this topic off the podcast dedicated

1245
00:53:36,070 --> 00:53:34,820
to UFOs right nothing wrong with your

1246
00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:36,080
podcast don't get me wrong

1247
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:39,140
love your podcast but we we cannot

1248
00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:42,890
ghettoize the topic into these narrow

1249
00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:45,500
places where it's okay to talk about it

1250
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,200
we have to do more and more of what has

1251
00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:50,720
made us I think all very happy in the

1252
00:53:57,490 --> 00:53:53,630
last two years since December of 2017

1253
00:54:01,000 --> 00:53:57,500
where we've seen more and more people

1254
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:01,010
who just don't talk about UFOs start to

1255
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:02,930
talk about that's right and that is

1256
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:06,290
really great stuff it is excellent

1257
00:54:10,570 --> 00:54:08,690
well alright everyone we're ready to go

1258
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:10,580
and break we'll be right back right

1259
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:13,570
after these messages hang in there

1260
00:54:18,910 --> 00:54:17,450
welcome back my guest is Bryce Zabel and

1261
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:18,920
we're gonna be taking calls here a

1262
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:21,290
little bit Bryce I'm not sure I told you

1263
00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:24,290
that I take calls on my shows you didn't

1264
00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:26,840
tell me that it does good ambushing you

1265
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,380
with that I think calls are the that's

1266
00:54:35,710 --> 00:54:33,200
that's accountability my friend let them

1267
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:35,720
bring him on no the others right we'll

1268
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:37,670
be doing that in about 15 minutes we'll

1269
00:54:44,770 --> 00:54:41,090
start that that no I think it's it's

1270
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,780
interesting how we have well you just

1271
00:54:49,930 --> 00:54:45,920
mentioned right before we went into

1272
00:54:52,090 --> 00:54:49,940
break you know the last couple years you

1273
00:54:56,290 --> 00:54:52,100
know things have just been easier to

1274
00:54:58,270 --> 00:54:56,300
talk about and I think you know you

1275
00:55:00,430 --> 00:54:58,280
mentioned about Thanksgiving and who

1276
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:00,440
knows you know if that topic will come

1277
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:02,210
up how many homes that would be really

1278
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:05,290
interesting to know if that will come up

1279
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:09,530
because of well let's just say for

1280
00:55:14,020 --> 00:55:12,590
instance someone's in the Navy and you

1281
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:14,030
know that it's something they're gonna

1282
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:16,340
talk about you know I mean a Navy pilot

1283
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:18,890
would talk about something like this you

1284
00:55:23,590 --> 00:55:21,590
know but it'll be interesting and in

1285
00:55:28,590 --> 00:55:23,600
fact I think they should be encouraged

1286
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:28,600
to do that because in fact they're not

1287
00:55:32,349 --> 00:55:30,319
most of them are

1288
00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:32,359
are not classified and they can't talk

1289
00:55:37,150 --> 00:55:34,670
about it they can talk about the topic

1290
00:55:38,709 --> 00:55:37,160
and in many cases they can talk about

1291
00:55:42,029 --> 00:55:38,719
the things that have actually happened

1292
00:55:45,969 --> 00:55:42,039
to them so they should I mean this is

1293
00:55:48,430 --> 00:55:45,979
it's this is 2020 coming up and it

1294
00:55:48,939 --> 00:55:48,440
that's that has the right ring to it

1295
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:48,949
doesn't it

1296
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:51,650
then 2020 kind of sound like it's time

1297
00:55:57,819 --> 00:55:54,319
to see clearly than this yeah

1298
00:56:00,489 --> 00:55:57,829
so I kind of I'm ready I'm ready to do

1299
00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:00,499
whatever my little part will be and and

1300
00:56:04,539 --> 00:56:02,660
I would encourage everyone who's

1301
00:56:07,630 --> 00:56:04,549
listening to us to think well what's my

1302
00:56:11,319 --> 00:56:07,640
little part you know and let's let's try

1303
00:56:14,620 --> 00:56:11,329
to get this into the body politic into

1304
00:56:16,359 --> 00:56:14,630
the discussion that people have maybe

1305
00:56:19,059 --> 00:56:16,369
you don't bring it up at the dinner

1306
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:19,069
table right but maybe you bring it up

1307
00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:22,910
with a like-minded friend afterwards and

1308
00:56:28,029 --> 00:56:26,059
and and if let's face it Thanksgiving is

1309
00:56:31,539 --> 00:56:28,039
a really good time to think about

1310
00:56:33,279 --> 00:56:31,549
disclosure and contact right because

1311
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:33,289
what is Thanksgiving

1312
00:56:40,779 --> 00:56:37,569
it is the contact between two dissimilar

1313
00:56:43,989 --> 00:56:40,789
civilizations all right and it didn't

1314
00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:43,999
end well for one of them Yeah right now

1315
00:56:49,209 --> 00:56:46,369
this time worth if we'd be on the other

1316
00:56:51,969 --> 00:56:49,219
side of that humanity would be in the

1317
00:56:52,539 --> 00:56:51,979
role of the Native Americans in the

1318
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:52,549
Thanks

1319
00:56:58,689 --> 00:56:55,249
story and whoever these others are would

1320
00:57:03,130 --> 00:56:58,699
be in the role of of those who came to

1321
00:57:06,999 --> 00:57:03,140
our shores so I think Thanksgiving is a

1322
00:57:11,769 --> 00:57:07,009
time to to evaluate where we are on this

1323
00:57:14,370 --> 00:57:11,779
issue if you what do we know I I think

1324
00:57:18,130 --> 00:57:14,380
one of the really interesting things is

1325
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:18,140
we we have an opportunity on this topic

1326
00:57:24,910 --> 00:57:21,529
to actually strip away things that we

1327
00:57:27,219 --> 00:57:24,920
suspect and things that we think and our

1328
00:57:30,009 --> 00:57:27,229
theories but there are enough things

1329
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:30,019
that we know that we can talk about now

1330
00:57:36,430 --> 00:57:33,140
so for example that Navy stuff well we

1331
00:57:38,380 --> 00:57:36,440
know that I mean we know it we know

1332
00:57:40,539 --> 00:57:38,390
those things happen we know even what

1333
00:57:44,050 --> 00:57:40,549
the pilot said when they saw it and we

1334
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,060
actually know according to David flavor

1335
00:57:49,780 --> 00:57:46,400
the pilot right now we haven't even seen

1336
00:57:52,810 --> 00:57:49,790
the good stuff imagine that these videos

1337
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:52,820
are pretty revolutionary and what they

1338
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:54,530
are and they're not even the good stuff

1339
00:58:01,780 --> 00:57:58,010
so just imagine so this is the part that

1340
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:01,790
really needs to change the stuff that

1341
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:04,910
people are recording not not us with our

1342
00:58:10,839 --> 00:58:07,760
iPhone shooting at something 6000 feet

1343
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:10,849
in the air but a stuff that a pilot is

1344
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:14,180
shooting with the best technology that

1345
00:58:18,550 --> 00:58:16,130
the US government has we ought to be

1346
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,560
able to see that stuff and we're

1347
00:58:21,730 --> 00:58:19,520
probably going to need to have

1348
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:21,740
congressional hearings that demand at

1349
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:23,810
first and we're going to be able to we

1350
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:25,640
need hearings that are able to call

1351
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:28,130
witnesses and we need hearings that are

1352
00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:30,770
able to grant immunity and when we have

1353
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:32,900
that on this topic things are gonna

1354
00:58:39,339 --> 00:58:35,570
start changing fast yeah that's a really

1355
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:39,349
good point about the immunity next week

1356
00:58:44,589 --> 00:58:41,750
I have Chris Lambright on and he's going

1357
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:44,599
to be talking a lot about the Nimitz

1358
00:58:50,410 --> 00:58:48,050
some work he's been doing on that some

1359
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,420
interesting things he brought up but one

1360
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,640
of the things I mentioned to him that I

1361
00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:55,040
thought was very puzzling is you just

1362
00:59:01,230 --> 00:58:57,380
mentioned David flavor you know yeah

1363
00:59:06,579 --> 00:59:01,240
there are some people that had not been

1364
00:59:09,099 --> 00:59:06,589
had not signed a non-disclosure like him

1365
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:09,109
that was actually an eyewitness and then

1366
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:10,910
there are some people down the chain

1367
00:59:16,180 --> 00:59:14,510
that had much less involvement yet they

1368
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:16,190
had to sign one that whole thing is very

1369
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:20,900
puzzling to me well and and that's where

1370
00:59:25,329 --> 00:59:23,510
we need to start we need we need to

1371
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:25,339
start pulling these threads out and

1372
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:28,010
looking at them and there's a lot to

1373
00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:32,510
look at is it's it in in one respect I'm

1374
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:35,540
I'm sure again I don't want to dip my

1375
00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:37,369
toe into something that drags us into a

1376
00:59:41,470 --> 00:59:40,220
political morass here but but we have

1377
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:41,480
learned certain things from the

1378
00:59:46,750 --> 00:59:44,210
impeachment stuff that's going on about

1379
00:59:49,089 --> 00:59:46,760
sort of what we should or should not

1380
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:49,099
expect our representatives to be able to

1381
00:59:53,770 --> 00:59:51,410
do and some of the rules of evidence and

1382
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:53,780
that are uncontested and some that

1383
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:56,690
aren't and various things and and I

1384
00:59:59,620 --> 00:59:57,710
think

1385
01:00:01,690 --> 00:59:59,630
we need to sort of start factoring that

1386
01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:01,700
in we're going to have to have something

1387
01:00:10,109 --> 01:00:05,990
similar on the topic of UFOs at some

1388
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:10,119
point Congress is going to start having

1389
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,490
hearings and we already know that they

1390
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,200
may have some hearings where they pull

1391
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:17,119
them in and they're all done in secret

1392
01:00:22,930 --> 01:00:21,050
right and then we also know that people

1393
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:22,940
who don't like secrecy are gonna be

1394
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,310
saying let's talk more about it let's do

1395
01:00:31,089 --> 01:00:27,760
it in an open session I think we need

1396
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:31,099
starting very soon open session hearings

1397
01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:35,119
on the subject of UAP and to me that

1398
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:37,430
would be the greatest thing happening

1399
01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:40,310
that would be great you know it's funny

1400
01:00:46,329 --> 01:00:43,000
it's like to me and to someone like you

1401
01:00:51,250 --> 01:00:46,339
you know it would be the most amazing

1402
01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:51,260
thing ever and that ever took place if

1403
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:54,920
we actually find out for certain that we

1404
01:00:59,890 --> 01:00:57,920
are being visited by extraterrestrial

1405
01:01:02,050 --> 01:00:59,900
it's like a done deal we know it and and

1406
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:02,060
all that there's intelligent life out

1407
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:04,250
there bla bla bla and they are here you

1408
01:01:08,859 --> 01:01:07,369
know that type of situation but I think

1409
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:08,869
that by the way the problem of what we

1410
01:01:12,490 --> 01:01:10,609
were just talking about I don't want to

1411
01:01:14,260 --> 01:01:12,500
give the impression I'm sitting on my

1412
01:01:15,820 --> 01:01:14,270
hand saying I can't wait for the

1413
01:01:17,770 --> 01:01:15,830
government to finally come clean

1414
01:01:20,589 --> 01:01:17,780
first of all governments don't tend to

1415
01:01:23,950 --> 01:01:20,599
come clean you know in in a in that way

1416
01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:23,960
and things have to happen before they

1417
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:26,030
come clean so I'm not sitting around I'm

1418
01:01:30,849 --> 01:01:28,130
saying I would like the government to

1419
01:01:34,030 --> 01:01:30,859
move a little closer to transparency in

1420
01:01:36,730 --> 01:01:34,040
an investigation mm-hmm and do what they

1421
01:01:39,250 --> 01:01:36,740
can do but once that door is opened a

1422
01:01:41,710 --> 01:01:39,260
little bit in that crack of light start

1423
01:01:44,410 --> 01:01:41,720
shining in then we'll take it from there

1424
01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:44,420
you know once once we've admitted that

1425
01:01:48,490 --> 01:01:45,830
something's going on

1426
01:01:51,250 --> 01:01:48,500
then academia can't say well we would

1427
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:51,260
never you know research this because

1428
01:01:56,530 --> 01:01:53,930
it's crazy there can't be any UFOs so we

1429
01:01:59,680 --> 01:01:56,540
can't you know and you know I can't wait

1430
01:02:02,200 --> 01:01:59,690
for guys like Neil deGrasse Tyson to

1431
01:02:06,099 --> 01:02:02,210
start taking credit and say oh I I

1432
01:02:09,010 --> 01:02:06,109
believed in you after all the stuff he

1433
01:02:11,170 --> 01:02:09,020
said yeah I mean I you know it's very

1434
01:02:13,330 --> 01:02:11,180
funny that one of the

1435
01:02:15,550 --> 01:02:13,340
favorite tweets I ever sent out is I

1436
01:02:18,130 --> 01:02:15,560
just got so ticked off at Neil deGrasse

1437
01:02:20,350 --> 01:02:18,140
Tyson for you know he's doing the same

1438
01:02:22,780 --> 01:02:20,360
thing Carl Sagan used to do which is to

1439
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:22,790
argue that the universe is teeming with

1440
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:24,950
life but they can't possibly be here

1441
01:02:29,770 --> 01:02:27,110
right and then I just find that to be

1442
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:29,780
outrageous so one day he'd said

1443
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,240
something stupid about UFOs and I put

1444
01:02:37,090 --> 01:02:34,160
out a tweet that said I declare Twitter

1445
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:37,100
war on Neil deGrasse Tyson I never got

1446
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:41,330
more I got that is what you have to do

1447
01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:43,190
to get people to pay attention my bit

1448
01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:44,990
about let's go ask questions at Town

1449
01:02:50,460 --> 01:02:46,940
Hall's that didn't fly but Neil deGrasse

1450
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:50,470
Tyson Twitter war that they liked yeah

1451
01:02:56,410 --> 01:02:55,970
that's pretty funny well you know so I'm

1452
01:03:00,400 --> 01:02:56,420
saying

1453
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:00,410
that you and I think that's important

1454
01:03:04,540 --> 01:03:01,760
there's a lot of people that do think

1455
01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:04,550
that's important as far as you know

1456
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:07,640
looking into this topic but do you think

1457
01:03:12,940 --> 01:03:10,910
that there's enough people in the

1458
01:03:14,110 --> 01:03:12,950
country you mentioned earlier you know a

1459
01:03:15,330 --> 01:03:14,120
lot of people are going about their

1460
01:03:17,770 --> 01:03:15,340
business and not really paying attention

1461
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:17,780
do you think that is what's going to

1462
01:03:23,860 --> 01:03:21,110
hold it back is that it's not enough in

1463
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,870
front of the average person out there

1464
01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:25,280
that's worried about their next paycheck

1465
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:30,320
or whatever it is that you know there's

1466
01:03:35,590 --> 01:03:33,710
a separate track yeah because the thing

1467
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:35,600
is it's this is the old a little bit

1468
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:38,150
pregnant thing you really can't be a

1469
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:40,310
little bit pregnant yeah you can't you

1470
01:03:45,220 --> 01:03:43,490
can't agree that UFOs are real a little

1471
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:45,230
bit they either are they aren't it's a

1472
01:03:50,860 --> 01:03:49,010
binary choice right now it seems we have

1473
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:50,870
we are rapidly crossing the threshold

1474
01:03:56,890 --> 01:03:54,410
where we say that UAP is real we just

1475
01:03:58,300 --> 01:03:56,900
don't know what it is which is the

1476
01:04:00,010 --> 01:03:58,310
equivalent of saying Trump did

1477
01:04:02,170 --> 01:04:00,020
impeachable things but they're not

1478
01:04:03,370 --> 01:04:02,180
they're not worthy of him he did things

1479
01:04:05,230 --> 01:04:03,380
he shouldn't do but they're not worthy

1480
01:04:08,110 --> 01:04:05,240
of impeachment you can always split the

1481
01:04:15,490 --> 01:04:08,120
hair on anything and the UFO hair is is

1482
01:04:18,820 --> 01:04:15,500
what I just said so I tend to think yes

1483
01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:18,830
we have to always agree most people are

1484
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:22,310
more interested in their bills where

1485
01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:25,130
they work their kids soccer game

1486
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,660
you know they're they're interested in

1487
01:04:30,750 --> 01:04:28,880
life and they should be interested in

1488
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:30,760
life that's what makes us humans okay

1489
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:33,950
but it doesn't mean that the body

1490
01:04:38,350 --> 01:04:36,650
politic or an individual can't hold

1491
01:04:40,660 --> 01:04:38,360
another idea in their head at the same

1492
01:04:44,110 --> 01:04:40,670
time and that's what I'm arguing for

1493
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:44,120
that we need to get to the place where

1494
01:04:49,780 --> 01:04:47,810
what disclosure is is not this oh my god

1495
01:04:52,030 --> 01:04:49,790
we've just disclosed there's aliens and

1496
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:52,040
now the whole system shuts down that's

1497
01:04:58,570 --> 01:04:54,770
not what we need what we need is to say

1498
01:05:00,220 --> 01:04:58,580
well I suspected that all along I guess

1499
01:05:02,140 --> 01:05:00,230
there are aliens and I guess there's a

1500
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:02,150
few that have been here on earth for a

1501
01:05:07,060 --> 01:05:04,370
while I guess we better start talking

1502
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:07,070
about that right and I'd like to watch

1503
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:09,710
I'd like to watch some shows about that

1504
01:05:14,050 --> 01:05:12,410
I'd like to I'd like to think that we

1505
01:05:19,030 --> 01:05:14,060
can start having those kind of

1506
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:19,040
discussions so I I don't think that UFO

1507
01:05:24,610 --> 01:05:21,770
or UAP discussion will be prevented from

1508
01:05:28,030 --> 01:05:24,620
going forward simply because people are

1509
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:28,040
busy I mean I'm a busy guy I think about

1510
01:05:34,420 --> 01:05:29,110
it all the time

1511
01:05:36,550 --> 01:05:34,430
mm-hmm so yeah yeah yeah no I I get what

1512
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:36,560
you're saying there it's it's all very

1513
01:05:42,550 --> 01:05:39,890
interesting here I'm trying to open up

1514
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:42,560
here so we can get the phone lines open

1515
01:05:48,130 --> 01:05:46,310
and I think I can do that I just want to

1516
01:05:52,030 --> 01:05:48,140
make sure everyone is ready here we have

1517
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:52,040
a screener race over there at kgr radio

1518
01:05:59,230 --> 01:05:53,930
kgr a radio and hopefully you're ready

1519
01:06:02,620 --> 01:05:59,240
you know I've just got sent the the

1520
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:02,630
headlines here from it says officials

1521
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:04,970
still puzzled let's see this just came

1522
01:06:10,570 --> 01:06:07,850
out 34 minutes ago according to some of

1523
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:10,580
the Senate officials still puzzled about

1524
01:06:14,830 --> 01:06:12,650
hovering object that prompted lockdown

1525
01:06:18,430 --> 01:06:14,840
in DC Wow

1526
01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:18,440
yeah it's happening Wow okay you gotta

1527
01:06:23,410 --> 01:06:21,350
just read this as I'm that's all I got

1528
01:06:26,410 --> 01:06:23,420
it yeah that's all you got that's all he

1529
01:06:30,100 --> 01:06:26,420
sent a screen capture I can't get I

1530
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:30,110
can't get to it yeah but anyway it could

1531
01:06:38,370 --> 01:06:35,450
be faked it could be fake news I'll keep

1532
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:38,380
talking yeah I'm gonna anyway this

1533
01:06:46,020 --> 01:06:42,090
we'll be Bryce working on that I'm

1534
01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:46,030
Washington DC yeah lockdown hovering

1535
01:06:51,930 --> 01:06:49,150
object but locked over an object yeah

1536
01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:51,940
all right yeah so the lines are open and

1537
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:54,670
if you'd like to give a call that number

1538
01:07:00,450 --> 01:06:57,370
is eight five five four seven two five

1539
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:00,460
four eight three and you are welcome to

1540
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,520
give us a call at that number we have a

1541
01:07:10,610 --> 01:07:06,160
race standing by to screen the call over

1542
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:10,620
there thank you for doing that race and

1543
01:07:19,950 --> 01:07:16,930
there it is yeah Fox News not that I

1544
01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:19,960
listen I'm not I'm taking no I'm just

1545
01:07:24,450 --> 01:07:21,700
saying this is the first thing that

1546
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:24,460
showed up it's not Bryce's please do not

1547
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:27,910
start the the the rumor that is able

1548
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:30,970
immediately turned to Fox News for his

1549
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:35,110
former correspondent you are turns to

1550
01:07:39,090 --> 01:07:36,880
foxes anyway here's what it says

1551
01:07:41,210 --> 01:07:39,100
officials still puzzled about hovering

1552
01:07:43,650 --> 01:07:41,220
object that prompted lockdown in d.c

1553
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:43,660
security officials on Capitol Hill are

1554
01:07:47,250 --> 01:07:45,610
still puzzled by what sparked the

1555
01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:47,260
security threat to be issued Tuesday

1556
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:49,270
morning that put both the White House

1557
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:52,960
and the Capitol on lockdown Wow

1558
01:07:59,370 --> 01:07:56,890
jets were scrambled officers warned

1559
01:08:03,150 --> 01:07:59,380
people outside capital facilities to

1560
01:08:04,860 --> 01:08:03,160
stay far away US Secret Service said

1561
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:04,870
personnel at the White House were told

1562
01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:08,140
to remain in place and here's a great

1563
01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:10,200
quote we don't know what the hell it was

1564
01:08:16,380 --> 01:08:13,380
one security source told Fox News

1565
01:08:18,660 --> 01:08:16,390
officials I love this officials said the

1566
01:08:21,870 --> 01:08:18,670
alert could have been sparked by Birds a

1567
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:21,880
drone or possibly and I love this a

1568
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:24,880
quote weather anomaly in the quote

1569
01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:26,770
weather poke so the more things change

1570
01:08:34,020 --> 01:08:29,980
the more they stay the same yeah it's ID

1571
01:08:36,090 --> 01:08:34,030
yeah it's a mogul yeah we have Steve

1572
01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:36,100
calling from Las Vegas you're on the air

1573
01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:39,190
Steve thanks for the call how are you hi

1574
01:08:43,530 --> 01:08:43,000
hi Martin hi Bruce Brice is the name

1575
01:08:50,820 --> 01:08:43,540
right

1576
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:50,830
great great series just two quick

1577
01:08:53,310 --> 01:08:51,970
questions

1578
01:08:56,730 --> 01:08:53,320
I think it was about a year ago I read

1579
01:08:59,550 --> 01:08:56,740
about dopinder a remake of Betty Barney

1580
01:09:04,890 --> 01:08:59,560
your story and I think you were going to

1581
01:09:06,990 --> 01:09:04,900
direct it or no let me just bring you up

1582
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:07,000
to date on that's the captured project

1583
01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:14,290
and I've had I listen I've been a giant

1584
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:17,260
Betty and Barney Hill case aficionado

1585
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:19,600
for a long time even as a kid I remember

1586
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:21,730
reading about it I think and Look

1587
01:09:28,290 --> 01:09:25,390
magazine and just being blown away by it

1588
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:28,300
so because it always struck me what

1589
01:09:33,390 --> 01:09:31,020
makes it great is it it's it was before

1590
01:09:35,250 --> 01:09:33,400
people could have read about something

1591
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:35,260
and they faked it based on that these

1592
01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:38,110
are real authentic people so I optioned

1593
01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:41,020
the story captured that was written by

1594
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:43,380
Stanton Friedman and Cathy Mardon and

1595
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:47,110
it's been a long road we've developed a

1596
01:09:50,780 --> 01:09:48,610
screenplay out of it

1597
01:09:54,270 --> 01:09:50,790
that we're trying that we we have tried

1598
01:09:56,490 --> 01:09:54,280
and are still trying to find the money

1599
01:09:58,350 --> 01:09:56,500
to get it made in in the vision that

1600
01:10:00,240 --> 01:09:58,360
would be appropriate but I'm also

1601
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,250
exploring something new right now which

1602
01:10:05,580 --> 01:10:03,520
is I'm developing it into a limited

1603
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:05,590
series so it'd be like eight episodes

1604
01:10:10,650 --> 01:10:08,080
which would give me a time I think to

1605
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:10,660
tell the story in a more powerful way

1606
01:10:14,940 --> 01:10:13,090
than just the the two hours which leaves

1607
01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:14,950
so much out because I think what's great

1608
01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:16,990
about Betty and Barney and their story

1609
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:20,920
is how it's also the story of their

1610
01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:22,210
marriage I mean think about it they're

1611
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:24,190
newly married they're coming back from a

1612
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:26,320
honeymoon and what happens they get

1613
01:10:31,530 --> 01:10:29,290
abducted by aliens I mean that's a

1614
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:31,540
buzzkill on a marriage right that makes

1615
01:10:39,150 --> 01:10:34,630
it a little bit harder so I'm still very

1616
01:10:41,790 --> 01:10:39,160
interested and so the answer is yes we

1617
01:10:42,510 --> 01:10:41,800
hope to find a home for this as soon as

1618
01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:42,520
possible

1619
01:10:48,090 --> 01:10:46,150
love for it to happen in 2020 I will not

1620
01:10:50,250 --> 01:10:48,100
probably be the director of it I hope to

1621
01:10:52,860 --> 01:10:50,260
be the writer of it I'm certainly that's

1622
01:10:56,610 --> 01:10:52,870
certainly the plan but in any case all

1623
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:56,620
produce and try to find a great director

1624
01:11:01,200 --> 01:10:58,690
for it because I think I think one of

1625
01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:01,210
the things that we want to do in any

1626
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:03,190
project that has to do with the Betty

1627
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:05,410
and Barney Hill story is we

1628
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:07,210
take you on board that ship in a way

1629
01:11:11,010 --> 01:11:09,490
that you've never been before so we want

1630
01:11:12,980 --> 01:11:11,020
to give you a kind of an authentic

1631
01:11:14,970 --> 01:11:12,990
feeling for what Betty and Barney

1632
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:14,980
claimed happened to them

1633
01:11:24,450 --> 01:11:18,400
so only thanks for staying with it

1634
01:11:27,630 --> 01:11:24,460
keeping at it waiting would you consider

1635
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:27,640
making a writing a screenplay so maybe

1636
01:11:32,010 --> 01:11:30,250
Travis Walton he wants to do a remake of

1637
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:32,020
his fire in the sky he's not very happy

1638
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:35,410
the way the movie was made would you do

1639
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:37,330
something like that hook up with him and

1640
01:11:42,450 --> 01:11:39,370
we'll write a screenplay with a big

1641
01:11:45,390 --> 01:11:42,460
screen and be real real realistic and

1642
01:11:48,180 --> 01:11:45,400
show the frighteners of because to me

1643
01:11:49,980 --> 01:11:48,190
that that abduction is scary I mean I

1644
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:49,990
wanted to see that on the screen to

1645
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:52,570
capture that well you know and you raise

1646
01:11:56,460 --> 01:11:54,130
a great point first of all I do know

1647
01:12:00,120 --> 01:11:56,470
Travis and I think his case is a

1648
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:00,130
brilliant one and and and it's different

1649
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:02,080
than the Betty and Barney one I think

1650
01:12:07,620 --> 01:12:04,570
I've got a my current focus is to tell

1651
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:07,630
Betty and Barney story because it would

1652
01:12:11,850 --> 01:12:09,610
be hard for me to not only have to try

1653
01:12:13,230 --> 01:12:11,860
it you know at this point I need to tell

1654
01:12:15,450 --> 01:12:13,240
Betty and Barney because that's the one

1655
01:12:18,030 --> 01:12:15,460
that needs to be done the Travis story

1656
01:12:20,460 --> 01:12:18,040
is a great story and in fact as you know

1657
01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:20,470
fire in the sky was criticized by some

1658
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:23,470
because Tracy Torme the writer was sort

1659
01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:25,960
of forced by the studio to jazz up what

1660
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:28,150
happened inside the ship in a way that

1661
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:31,090
wasn't exactly based on how Travis

1662
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:33,280
described it so there is some cleanup

1663
01:12:38,190 --> 01:12:35,650
work to be done in a new new new film

1664
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:38,200
but I will say lots of people like fire

1665
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:40,450
in the sky just fine the way it is they

1666
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:44,770
don't care that it was embellished if

1667
01:12:48,990 --> 01:12:47,110
you will inside the ship but that

1668
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:49,000
illustrates the point that we were

1669
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:52,210
talking about earlier which is to a lot

1670
01:12:56,610 --> 01:12:54,370
of people in Hollywood who are on the

1671
01:12:59,100 --> 01:12:56,620
executive side of the table they would

1672
01:13:01,460 --> 01:12:59,110
look at the Travis Walton case or even

1673
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:01,470
my Betty and Barney Hill case and say

1674
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:05,650
well you know I know that he described

1675
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:07,690
it this way but I think it needs to have

1676
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,720
something else and from their point of

1677
01:13:15,330 --> 01:13:12,640
view it's like well it's all fake anyway

1678
01:13:17,340 --> 01:13:15,340
so why can't you just make up something

1679
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:17,350
else whereas those of us who have

1680
01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:19,210
studied the issue are like known

1681
01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:21,790
it's not fake and Travis Walton is an

1682
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:23,860
excellent witness and this is what

1683
01:13:28,140 --> 01:13:26,110
Travis Walton described so yeah I'd be

1684
01:13:29,459 --> 01:13:28,150
very open I'd love it I mean I wish

1685
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:29,469
somebody would come to me and say hey I

1686
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,449
want you to write the Travis Walton case

1687
01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:33,760
and here's the only thing I could say a

1688
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:36,310
success but get success in Hollywood so

1689
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:37,780
if I'm lucky enough to make Betty and

1690
01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:39,730
Barney somebody may come to me or I may

1691
01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:41,500
come to them and say now that we've done

1692
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:43,000
the Betty and Barney story let's do

1693
01:13:47,010 --> 01:13:45,370
Travis Walton so for example if I did

1694
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:47,020
the miniseries and did Betty and Barney

1695
01:13:52,740 --> 01:13:49,540
one year I'd love to do Travis Walton in

1696
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:52,750
the second season as an example yeah I

1697
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:54,730
just hung up on Steve sorry about that

1698
01:13:58,560 --> 01:13:57,040
Steve by accident I my mouse kind of

1699
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,570
just thanks for calling Steve yeah

1700
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,880
thanks for the call and the line is open

1701
01:14:06,140 --> 01:14:02,320
again that number is eight five five

1702
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:06,150
four seven two five four eight three

1703
01:14:13,979 --> 01:14:09,130
speaking of you talked about earlier

1704
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:13,989
that you used you brought in majestic 12

1705
01:14:20,970 --> 01:14:17,310
and into the particle collider there and

1706
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:20,980
one of what do you think about mj-12 I

1707
01:14:26,459 --> 01:14:23,530
have I've not only been on the fence

1708
01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:26,469
I've kind of doubt that the documents

1709
01:14:31,229 --> 01:14:28,630
were real but I what do you think in

1710
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:31,239
general do you think there was a some

1711
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:33,730
type of mj-12 out there if not that in

1712
01:14:40,380 --> 01:14:36,640
particular well that's the position I've

1713
01:14:44,130 --> 01:14:40,390
always taken from a riding point of view

1714
01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:44,140
Mike did do I know Q minutes are real or

1715
01:14:49,770 --> 01:14:47,800
not do I know if majestic 12 existed or

1716
01:14:52,740 --> 01:14:49,780
not I'm just one guy trying to do the

1717
01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:52,750
best he can so I can't answer that in in

1718
01:15:00,419 --> 01:14:56,409
a definitive way but I will say this I

1719
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:00,429
do believe that if Roswell is a true

1720
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,310
event and I believe it is and was then

1721
01:15:08,220 --> 01:15:05,440
that means the government would clearly

1722
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:08,230
have done something like majestic 12 it

1723
01:15:14,939 --> 01:15:11,489
wouldn't have been I think today the UFO

1724
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:14,949
management the UAP management maybe as

1725
01:15:19,530 --> 01:15:17,050
much private enterprise as it was

1726
01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:19,540
government as it is government but I

1727
01:15:24,649 --> 01:15:22,630
believe back in 1947 it clearly would

1728
01:15:27,660 --> 01:15:24,659
have been a governmental II inspired

1729
01:15:30,810 --> 01:15:27,670
organization so I in dark skies we

1730
01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:30,820
called it majestic 12 and I do know that

1731
01:15:36,090 --> 01:15:32,860
our friend Stan Freedman passion

1732
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,100
we believed until his dying days that

1733
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:38,800
majestic 12 was a real thing yes he's

1734
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:41,650
the guy that that followed through on

1735
01:15:47,220 --> 01:15:44,219
those documents as no one had ever done

1736
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:47,230
and I think it's possible

1737
01:15:52,169 --> 01:15:49,570
of all the documents that have been

1738
01:15:55,229 --> 01:15:52,179
released it's possible that that

1739
01:16:00,030 --> 01:15:55,239
Eisenhower briefing memo is either true

1740
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:00,040
or is you know we just live in a

1741
01:16:04,260 --> 01:16:02,050
topsy-turvy world and it makes me angry

1742
01:16:06,510 --> 01:16:04,270
that the people who have had this

1743
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:06,520
information have forced us into the

1744
01:16:10,109 --> 01:16:08,050
situation where we have to have

1745
01:16:13,229 --> 01:16:10,119
discussions like this because it's

1746
01:16:15,090 --> 01:16:13,239
ridiculous that that memo if it was real

1747
01:16:16,919 --> 01:16:15,100
should have been released long ago and

1748
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:16,929
we shouldn't be having to ask ourselves

1749
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:19,510
on a podcast do we think it's real or

1750
01:16:25,229 --> 01:16:22,480
not so I think something was real it's

1751
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:25,239
possible with disinformation being what

1752
01:16:31,530 --> 01:16:28,000
it is that somebody literally wrote a

1753
01:16:34,169 --> 01:16:31,540
memo that is like 80% real and released

1754
01:16:36,660 --> 01:16:34,179
it just to see what would happen so I

1755
01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:36,670
don't really know but I believe that the

1756
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:39,369
UFO management I don't call it a

1757
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:40,960
cover-up at this point I just call it

1758
01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:43,210
management the management of the UFO

1759
01:16:47,850 --> 01:16:45,670
issue I believe from the very beginning

1760
01:16:50,609 --> 01:16:47,860
started out in the government and then

1761
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:50,619
over the 70 years that it's been in in

1762
01:16:55,919 --> 01:16:53,770
place has morphed a little bit to be at

1763
01:16:59,010 --> 01:16:55,929
least 50/50 government and private

1764
01:17:00,930 --> 01:16:59,020
enterprise mm-hmm and one of the thing I

1765
01:17:02,580 --> 01:17:00,940
had Chris Mellon on a lot you know

1766
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:02,590
couple oh I don't know three years ago

1767
01:17:09,629 --> 01:17:06,340
and one of the things he mentioned was

1768
01:17:13,169 --> 01:17:09,639
that if it wasn't involved in a private

1769
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:13,179
enterprise then there would never be it

1770
01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:17,290
would be basically bulletproof from

1771
01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:19,030
congressional hearings or anything like

1772
01:17:22,919 --> 01:17:21,310
that you know to get that thing off to

1773
01:17:26,570 --> 01:17:22,929
get that part of it off into the private

1774
01:17:29,729 --> 01:17:26,580
sector which explains why you have

1775
01:17:31,109 --> 01:17:29,739
Congress people and and people even in

1776
01:17:31,919 --> 01:17:31,119
the military it goes yeah I think we

1777
01:17:33,660 --> 01:17:31,929
should look into this

1778
01:17:35,490 --> 01:17:33,670
and you'd like you're part of you wants

1779
01:17:37,379 --> 01:17:35,500
to say you should look into it you don't

1780
01:17:40,740 --> 01:17:37,389
know I mean come on

1781
01:17:42,990 --> 01:17:40,750
except I do think that this 70 years has

1782
01:17:45,959 --> 01:17:43,000
created one of the most ridiculous

1783
01:17:46,740 --> 01:17:45,969
scenarios around which is even the

1784
01:17:48,270 --> 01:17:46,750
people who think

1785
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:48,280
they know or should know don't know

1786
01:17:52,860 --> 01:17:50,080
everything that they know and sometimes

1787
01:17:55,230 --> 01:17:52,870
they don't know anything so it's it's

1788
01:17:57,570 --> 01:17:55,240
really we've got this bizarre blind

1789
01:18:01,890 --> 01:17:57,580
leading the blind scenario going on and

1790
01:18:04,890 --> 01:18:01,900
I think we're all tired of it I think as

1791
01:18:08,490 --> 01:18:04,900
a society we're tired of it I'm

1792
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:08,500
exhausted from it I want it to be over

1793
01:18:15,150 --> 01:18:10,570
and I want to move on to the next phase

1794
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:15,160
phase one was denial and ridicule I when

1795
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:17,920
they put it into place in 1947 they

1796
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:19,330
probably thought it would last five

1797
01:18:24,030 --> 01:18:21,610
years or less and they were just buying

1798
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,040
time and what they didn't realize is how

1799
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:26,800
incredibly successful denial and

1800
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:29,170
ridicule would be as a policy and it's

1801
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:32,050
worked 70 years and but it was still

1802
01:18:37,970 --> 01:18:35,410
phase one phase two is let's talk about

1803
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:37,980
this so I'm ready for Phase two

1804
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:42,250
hmm yeah yeah I think yet we're very

1805
01:18:47,820 --> 01:18:44,560
work as close to that as we've ever been

1806
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:47,830
that's for sure the lines open again

1807
01:18:52,530 --> 01:18:50,080
that number is eight five five four

1808
01:18:55,290 --> 01:18:52,540
seven two five four eight three Bryce

1809
01:18:56,490 --> 01:18:55,300
you said that you are working or I don't

1810
01:18:58,320 --> 01:18:56,500
know if you said you're working on a

1811
01:19:00,480 --> 01:18:58,330
book or you're starting a book on the

1812
01:19:02,430 --> 01:19:00,490
trail of saucers is that what it's

1813
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:02,440
called something like right I am

1814
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:06,850
starting working on a new book because

1815
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:09,370
sometimes is just how I work out my you

1816
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:12,610
know I like screenwriting and it's and

1817
01:19:18,990 --> 01:19:16,090
it's been my life in my career I like

1818
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:19,000
television I like movies but sometimes

1819
01:19:23,130 --> 01:19:20,410
there's something fun about writing a

1820
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:23,140
book because you don't get notes right

1821
01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:25,810
any any movie I write or any television

1822
01:19:29,820 --> 01:19:28,030
episode I write I get notes from people

1823
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:29,830
sometimes they're good notes sometimes

1824
01:19:33,390 --> 01:19:31,330
they're bad notes but you get notes

1825
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:33,400
where other people tell you what you

1826
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:35,530
should do with your work so writing a

1827
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:37,930
book is a clean wonderful thing for a

1828
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:41,050
writer to do and I've noticed that you

1829
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:43,810
know I've lived a pretty public life on

1830
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:45,850
this topic so I'm writing a book called

1831
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:49,210
on the trail of the saucers all right

1832
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:52,810
and it's it's really I'm trying to bring

1833
01:19:59,000 --> 01:19:55,930
my thoughts and my conclusions or

1834
01:20:00,750 --> 01:19:59,010
theories or whatever into kind of a

1835
01:20:03,420 --> 01:20:00,760
journalistic

1836
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:03,430
Roadtrip if you will through through

1837
01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:05,410
these projects I've worked on and what I

1838
01:20:10,110 --> 01:20:08,230
learned in in each one and why I came to

1839
01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:10,120
believe the things and weave in all

1840
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:12,670
these different things and I just

1841
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:14,610
realized I've just had a lot of personal

1842
01:20:19,410 --> 01:20:17,530
stories that were impacted on this topic

1843
01:20:23,250 --> 01:20:19,420
I've you know worked with Steven

1844
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:23,260
Spielberg on UFOs I've had you know I I

1845
01:20:29,370 --> 01:20:26,410
worked on taken I you know I I had in

1846
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:29,380
and again I one of these I'll be writing

1847
01:20:36,450 --> 01:20:32,890
about is Spielberg and and Barry

1848
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:36,460
Sonnenfeld the director of MIB tried to

1849
01:20:43,050 --> 01:20:39,130
kill dark skies because we had men in

1850
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,060
black so I had some crazy crazy stuff

1851
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:45,520
and then again as I said the Office of

1852
01:20:49,950 --> 01:20:47,710
Naval Intelligence or at least guys who

1853
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:49,960
said they were from there came to and

1854
01:20:54,750 --> 01:20:52,210
crashed our dark skies premiere party

1855
01:20:56,729 --> 01:20:54,760
and said they wanted to help us with the

1856
01:21:00,000 --> 01:20:56,739
show so things like that

1857
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:00,010
I wrote a movie official denial that was

1858
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:02,530
about UFOs being us from the future and

1859
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:04,330
I think that was one of the first times

1860
01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:06,730
I ever saw that floated so I've I've had

1861
01:21:11,790 --> 01:21:09,910
an interesting time and I'm I'm gonna

1862
01:21:15,810 --> 01:21:11,800
write about it again

1863
01:21:21,150 --> 01:21:15,820
I guess the book I wrote with Dolan was

1864
01:21:23,340 --> 01:21:21,160
a sober you know 35,000 foot look at the

1865
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:23,350
the thing with a good friend Dolan

1866
01:21:27,570 --> 01:21:25,690
whereas this one is is me it's just

1867
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,580
going to be what I'm I'm thinking what

1868
01:21:32,910 --> 01:21:30,000
I'm what what conclusions I've drawn

1869
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:32,920
well as a filmmaker I'll ask you this

1870
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:34,690
question what if all these UFO sightings

1871
01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:37,570
is that we are an experiment and part of

1872
01:21:44,250 --> 01:21:41,670
a reality TV show for sure

1873
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:44,260
extraterrestrials well I don't think

1874
01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:48,010
that's crazy I mean it may be crazy to

1875
01:21:54,510 --> 01:21:51,550
put it in reality TV but let's say that

1876
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:54,520
you were first of all again let's just

1877
01:21:59,370 --> 01:21:57,850
step stipulate we don't know yeah we

1878
01:22:00,330 --> 01:21:59,380
don't know why they're here we don't

1879
01:22:02,310 --> 01:22:00,340
know how they think

1880
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:02,320
we don't know who they are we don't know

1881
01:22:06,030 --> 01:22:04,239
how many of them there are we don't know

1882
01:22:07,890 --> 01:22:06,040
whether they're still here just coming

1883
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:07,900
we don't know for on some kind of

1884
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:11,050
Greyhound bus stop through the universe

1885
01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:15,250
we don't know but I think what we

1886
01:22:24,270 --> 01:22:20,409
we do know is that it's a gnarly

1887
01:22:27,930 --> 01:22:24,280
situation and we are struggling to

1888
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:27,940
understand what what they would want and

1889
01:22:32,939 --> 01:22:30,310
one of the things they might want is our

1890
01:22:34,770 --> 01:22:32,949
very humanity we always act here's what

1891
01:22:36,419 --> 01:22:34,780
I would say the only thing I ever

1892
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:36,429
actually argued with Stanton Friedman

1893
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:40,090
about Stan always would sort of make

1894
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:42,250
those asides where you go who would want

1895
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:43,690
to you know I mean he would act like

1896
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:46,000
we're just a bunch of crazy humans why

1897
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:48,850
would any rival well yeah right and he

1898
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,530
would make that organ and I said Stan I

1899
01:22:56,220 --> 01:22:52,960
just don't buy that and he said why and

1900
01:22:59,390 --> 01:22:56,230
I said my take is different my take is

1901
01:23:01,830 --> 01:22:59,400
pretty simple premise that all

1902
01:23:04,649 --> 01:23:01,840
intelligent life is interesting to other

1903
01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:04,659
intelligent life hmm right now let's

1904
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:06,820
just think about if that's true

1905
01:23:11,399 --> 01:23:09,130
that would explain why they're here you

1906
01:23:13,709 --> 01:23:11,409
know if we found another Intelli

1907
01:23:17,729 --> 01:23:13,719
if we found any life if we found a

1908
01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:17,739
spider on Mars we put it on the cover of

1909
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:19,870
Time it would be the biggest thing

1910
01:23:24,990 --> 01:23:22,210
around if we found an intelligent spider

1911
01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:25,000
on Mars we'd want to talk to it right so

1912
01:23:29,820 --> 01:23:27,190
I don't think that it's impossible to

1913
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:29,830
believe that intelligent life wants to

1914
01:23:33,870 --> 01:23:32,110
see other intelligent life and that

1915
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:33,880
might explain why they're here so now to

1916
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:37,510
take your reality show analogy it is not

1917
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:40,210
impossible that an extremely evolved

1918
01:23:45,540 --> 01:23:43,570
species has lost a few things along the

1919
01:23:48,510 --> 01:23:45,550
way and one of the things they may have

1920
01:23:51,930 --> 01:23:48,520
lost is that personal quality that

1921
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,940
humans have in abundance so that was one

1922
01:23:56,939 --> 01:23:54,159
of the themes of dark skies that the the

1923
01:24:00,120 --> 01:23:56,949
creatures who had come here were part of

1924
01:24:01,410 --> 01:24:00,130
a hive and a group think mind and so one

1925
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:01,420
of the things they found so fascinating

1926
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:04,210
about humanity is we were pretty flawed

1927
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:06,880
but we had you know billions of

1928
01:24:11,370 --> 01:24:09,010
independent minds at work whereas they

1929
01:24:15,390 --> 01:24:11,380
had one mind at work with billions of

1930
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:15,400
species involved in it and so and that's

1931
01:24:18,660 --> 01:24:16,960
just you know that I don't I don't have

1932
01:24:21,780 --> 01:24:18,670
any reason to believe that it was just

1933
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:21,790
part of our our development but I think

1934
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:24,010
that the truth when we know it will blow

1935
01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:26,050
our minds well so you could be right

1936
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:28,540
well like a swarm intelligence

1937
01:24:34,620 --> 01:24:33,250
but I've heard that called now I'd like

1938
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:34,630
to get back to something you said

1939
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:38,290
earlier you said at a party I believe

1940
01:24:42,180 --> 01:24:40,090
you said that it was kind of crashed by

1941
01:24:44,730 --> 01:24:42,190
intelligence officers or yeah people

1942
01:24:47,310 --> 01:24:44,740
claiming to be so how did that what

1943
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:47,320
happened with that well this is a longer

1944
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:49,090
story so I'm gonna tell you the short

1945
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:50,800
version but and you'll understand why

1946
01:24:56,270 --> 01:24:53,770
it's part of a book okay it's gonna be

1947
01:24:59,340 --> 01:24:56,280
because Brent my partner and I have

1948
01:25:01,470 --> 01:24:59,350
decided that it's you know 2020 coming

1949
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:01,480
up and for us to have this experience

1950
01:25:06,690 --> 01:25:04,480
and not lay all the facts out seems

1951
01:25:09,870 --> 01:25:06,700
wrong so we're we're gonna be talking

1952
01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:09,880
more about it here's what happened when

1953
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,870
dark skies was completed and it had not

1954
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:16,000
aired yet we had a premiere party for

1955
01:25:21,390 --> 01:25:18,010
the night that it it aired it was like

1956
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:21,400
September 21st of that year and so

1957
01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:24,130
nobody had seen it it was literally we

1958
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:27,670
had 200 people at my house okay here in

1959
01:25:32,820 --> 01:25:29,650
Southern California they were cast and

1960
01:25:35,250 --> 01:25:32,830
crew and during this party all of us

1961
01:25:37,530 --> 01:25:35,260
have little magic majestic 12 badges

1962
01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:37,540
right with which were made by the props

1963
01:25:42,930 --> 01:25:40,180
department so you literally if you were

1964
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:42,940
on the list got your badge so suddenly

1965
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:44,770
there's this guy in my back yard a guy

1966
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:46,930
in khakis and a blue blazer and he

1967
01:25:50,700 --> 01:25:47,920
doesn't have a bet he's the only guy

1968
01:25:52,890 --> 01:25:50,710
without a badge and I don't know who he

1969
01:25:57,300 --> 01:25:52,900
is and neither does Brent and he

1970
01:25:59,280 --> 01:25:57,310
introduces himself as JC and he tells us

1971
01:26:01,320 --> 01:25:59,290
that he's with naval intelligence and

1972
01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:01,330
that they thought we did a pretty good

1973
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:04,510
job with our show and I'm like nobody

1974
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:07,690
has seen our show and he goes well yeah

1975
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:12,880
and he proceeded to tell us that they

1976
01:26:17,550 --> 01:26:15,610
thought that we were right on a lot of

1977
01:26:19,710 --> 01:26:17,560
things but that we had a few things

1978
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:19,720
wrong and they wanted to give us a

1979
01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:21,370
little help and they thought that we

1980
01:26:25,230 --> 01:26:23,680
should accept this well I didn't know

1981
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:25,240
whether this guy was real not real or

1982
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:27,280
whatever and I did think it was crazy

1983
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,920
somebody had crashed my house a party

1984
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:32,080
and I basically said I don't have I'm

1985
01:26:35,580 --> 01:26:33,610
hosting a party I don't have time to

1986
01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:35,590
talk about this right now but Brent

1987
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:37,390
talked to him a little bit longer the

1988
01:26:42,029 --> 01:26:40,810
guy basically wrote something on a

1989
01:26:44,879 --> 01:26:42,039
napkin that

1990
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:44,889
looked like an equation and he said this

1991
01:26:52,020 --> 01:26:48,489
is what it's all about and we said what

1992
01:26:53,429 --> 01:26:52,030
he said sound light and frequency okay

1993
01:26:57,229 --> 01:26:53,439
now I don't know what that means in the

1994
01:26:59,309 --> 01:26:57,239
context anyway party ends all right

1995
01:27:00,739 --> 01:26:59,319
there's a lot more to it

1996
01:27:04,379 --> 01:27:00,749
I won't bore you with all those details

1997
01:27:06,179 --> 01:27:04,389
the guy calls up Brent the next week and

1998
01:27:09,059 --> 01:27:06,189
says I take it your partner was

1999
01:27:12,689 --> 01:27:09,069
unimpressed with us which meaning me I

2000
01:27:16,589 --> 01:27:12,699
said and he said so maybe you want to

2001
01:27:19,739 --> 01:27:16,599
meet my boss Brent says sure so this guy

2002
01:27:22,559 --> 01:27:19,749
comes in with an older guy to our dark

2003
01:27:25,259 --> 01:27:22,569
skies offices clear security we put him

2004
01:27:27,449 --> 01:27:25,269
in the conference room these guys do not

2005
01:27:29,369 --> 01:27:27,459
look like fanboys they're not like

2006
01:27:32,689 --> 01:27:29,379
they're not like the guy in the basement

2007
01:27:36,809 --> 01:27:32,699
of doing anything these are Navy SEAL

2008
01:27:39,329 --> 01:27:36,819
quality hard body tough guys and the guy

2009
01:27:40,859 --> 01:27:39,339
he brings treats me with disdain he's

2010
01:27:43,259 --> 01:27:40,869
like I can't even believe I have to go

2011
01:27:47,309 --> 01:27:43,269
talk to this guy right but they lay out

2012
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:47,319
what they call the story of contact you

2013
01:27:55,619 --> 01:27:50,409
know over a couple of hours and at this

2014
01:27:58,079 --> 01:27:55,629
point I said you know I I appreciate

2015
01:28:00,359 --> 01:27:58,089
that you came here but I'm I'm trying to

2016
01:28:02,129 --> 01:28:00,369
put a television show on the air and I

2017
01:28:04,529 --> 01:28:02,139
don't think my employers would be very

2018
01:28:06,119 --> 01:28:04,539
happy if I spent the day talking to you

2019
01:28:08,489 --> 01:28:06,129
in this conference room when you won't

2020
01:28:11,399 --> 01:28:08,499
even have prove to me who you are so

2021
01:28:14,279 --> 01:28:11,409
this meeting is over and so I left again

2022
01:28:16,289 --> 01:28:14,289
right so it happened one more time

2023
01:28:18,419 --> 01:28:16,299
they contacted Brent and said your

2024
01:28:20,509 --> 01:28:18,429
partner seems like kind of a like he's

2025
01:28:24,559 --> 01:28:20,519
just really not with the program here so

2026
01:28:28,259 --> 01:28:24,569
maybe he wants to meet the main guy and

2027
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:28,269
now this is gonna sound crazy it is

2028
01:28:33,899 --> 01:28:31,449
crazy but this is God's truth what

2029
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:33,909
happened Brent said well what how would

2030
01:28:38,309 --> 01:28:36,010
that work and they said look there's a

2031
01:28:42,259 --> 01:28:38,319
ship down at Long Beach and he's on it

2032
01:28:45,719 --> 01:28:42,269
and he'll meet you guys this weekend and

2033
01:28:47,250 --> 01:28:45,729
Brent said okay where and when and this

2034
01:28:51,509 --> 01:28:47,260
is the part that you're just not gonna

2035
01:28:55,490 --> 01:28:51,519
believe but it's true he said we'll meet

2036
01:29:01,980 --> 01:28:59,400
okay oh and I said when Brent told me

2037
01:29:04,230 --> 01:29:01,990
that I go I have three children I am

2038
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:04,240
meeting no one at a cemetery and

2039
01:29:08,700 --> 01:29:05,920
midnight and that's the last I ever

2040
01:29:10,710 --> 01:29:08,710
heard of these guys well well

2041
01:29:12,330 --> 01:29:10,720
makes you wonder though huh I mean

2042
01:29:15,210 --> 01:29:12,340
that's that's pretty interesting but

2043
01:29:18,060 --> 01:29:15,220
that's a swell range place to meet you

2044
01:29:20,610 --> 01:29:18,070
know I mean that is bizarre it happened

2045
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:20,620
for sure and the only thing I will tell

2046
01:29:25,950 --> 01:29:24,250
you is prior to that Brent's neighbor

2047
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:25,960
when he was growing up

2048
01:29:31,260 --> 01:29:28,330
became the Under Secretary of the Navy

2049
01:29:34,370 --> 01:29:31,270
in Reagan's first term and became the

2050
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:34,380
energy secretary in Reagan's second term

2051
01:29:39,660 --> 01:29:37,840
okay and he told Brent stories about

2052
01:29:45,570 --> 01:29:39,670
being briefed in an underground facility

2053
01:29:47,130 --> 01:29:45,580
about extraterrestrials Wow and and so

2054
01:29:49,380 --> 01:29:47,140
we're gonna right I'm gonna write about

2055
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:49,390
all that in this book because I get

2056
01:29:54,150 --> 01:29:51,760
asked you know and I can't do justice to

2057
01:29:56,670 --> 01:29:54,160
it just you know between the two of us

2058
01:29:58,680 --> 01:29:56,680
and it and when it's broken down to its

2059
01:30:01,290 --> 01:29:58,690
component pieces it sounds a little

2060
01:30:03,660 --> 01:30:01,300
fantastical and and it certainly was but

2061
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:03,670
it happened hmm

2062
01:30:09,180 --> 01:30:06,130
and and in fact because we met those

2063
01:30:11,130 --> 01:30:09,190
guys no not because we met those guys

2064
01:30:14,100 --> 01:30:11,140
but because of Brent's contact with his

2065
01:30:16,260 --> 01:30:14,110
his neighbor growing up we didn't make

2066
01:30:19,620 --> 01:30:16,270
our cover-up group that ran majestic 12

2067
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:19,630
the Air Force we made it oh and I we

2068
01:30:23,580 --> 01:30:21,610
made it Navy that was running it so now

2069
01:30:25,620 --> 01:30:23,590
when I see the Navy in these current

2070
01:30:28,290 --> 01:30:25,630
reports you know coming forward and

2071
01:30:31,710 --> 01:30:28,300
being the most open about this topic

2072
01:30:34,250 --> 01:30:31,720
makes perfect sense to me did you ever

2073
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:34,260
ask anyone in the studio if they perhaps

2074
01:30:41,700 --> 01:30:39,520
had shown either a clip or given a reel

2075
01:30:43,620 --> 01:30:41,710
to these people to watch I mean how did

2076
01:30:45,630 --> 01:30:43,630
they know what type of job you were

2077
01:30:48,060 --> 01:30:45,640
doing and well they certainly knew they

2078
01:30:50,340 --> 01:30:48,070
had seen it I mean we discussed it and

2079
01:30:52,350 --> 01:30:50,350
as my party went no one in the world had

2080
01:30:54,690 --> 01:30:52,360
seen it I thought except for those of us

2081
01:30:55,530 --> 01:30:54,700
who made it but the thing is I mean I

2082
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:55,540
can't tell you that

2083
01:30:59,400 --> 01:30:57,250
of course people had seen it you know I

2084
01:31:02,790 --> 01:30:59,410
mean of course the network in the studio

2085
01:31:05,580 --> 01:31:02,800
had on a very tight rein let certain

2086
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:05,590
people see it like a sequence peak yeah

2087
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:08,170
I mean it wasn't a top-secret I mean

2088
01:31:14,670 --> 01:31:12,010
the the the reviewers had all seen a

2089
01:31:17,940 --> 01:31:14,680
copy of it but what was weird is a guy

2090
01:31:19,890 --> 01:31:17,950
who's not a reviewer and not part of not

2091
01:31:22,980 --> 01:31:19,900
a friend of the studio or the network or

2092
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:22,990
whatever to literally tell me scene by

2093
01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:25,840
scene what's in my program and it hasn't

2094
01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:29,920
aired and to have found out about my

2095
01:31:35,970 --> 01:31:33,490
party and snuck into my party and be in

2096
01:31:38,490 --> 01:31:35,980
my backyard I mean these were just weird

2097
01:31:41,150 --> 01:31:38,500
things and to know where you lived and

2098
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:41,160
you know all that's that's me out I mean

2099
01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:44,320
with you I mean it just freaked me out I

2100
01:31:49,770 --> 01:31:47,230
don't like people I don't know knowing

2101
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:49,780
that yeah just showing up like that yeah

2102
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:51,730
that's it was a long time yeah

2103
01:31:55,530 --> 01:31:54,250
hasn't happened you know I mean I you

2104
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:55,540
know to the extent that we had a

2105
01:32:01,530 --> 01:31:57,730
usefulness it it it passed

2106
01:32:04,650 --> 01:32:01,540
you know I I did take out for lunch

2107
01:32:08,250 --> 01:32:04,660
David O'Leary who runs Blue Book I think

2108
01:32:10,380 --> 01:32:08,260
I gotta continue to write tonight maybe

2109
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:10,390
you did yes you did thank my friends so

2110
01:32:14,910 --> 01:32:13,090
we had we had lunch and I said told him

2111
01:32:17,670 --> 01:32:14,920
this story and I said anybody ever

2112
01:32:21,090 --> 01:32:17,680
contact you and he goes no not so far

2113
01:32:23,550 --> 01:32:21,100
but when they do I'm calling you I mean

2114
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:23,560
who knows I mean who knows yeah and I

2115
01:32:29,460 --> 01:32:26,530
think another serieses of the season

2116
01:32:33,900 --> 01:32:29,470
two's coming out yeah saw something on

2117
01:32:36,540 --> 01:32:33,910
that so yeah have you worked with him on

2118
01:32:38,430 --> 01:32:36,550
that or just you just no I haven't and

2119
01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:38,440
and and listen I understand what they're

2120
01:32:43,020 --> 01:32:40,450
doing at the Blue Book and I don't want

2121
01:32:47,130 --> 01:32:43,030
to be a rain on anybody's parade kind of

2122
01:32:49,580 --> 01:32:47,140
thing but for me it's it's kind of weird

2123
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:49,590
because I know so much about Allen Hynek

2124
01:32:55,470 --> 01:32:52,810
John Schmidt who's whose life story I

2125
01:32:57,210 --> 01:32:55,480
have under option worked for Alan Hinds

2126
01:32:59,490 --> 01:32:57,220
right right yeah and tells the story

2127
01:33:02,750 --> 01:32:59,500
about Hynek literally on his deathbed

2128
01:33:05,460 --> 01:33:02,760
saying why won't they tell me even now

2129
01:33:07,410 --> 01:33:05,470
hmm so if you know that's how high Nick

2130
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:07,420
felt at the end of his life the idea

2131
01:33:12,420 --> 01:33:09,850
that the television series now portrays

2132
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:12,430
him is seeing bodies and crashes and

2133
01:33:18,180 --> 01:33:14,800
being at Roswell and all came you know

2134
01:33:19,890 --> 01:33:18,190
that's now it'd almost be better if

2135
01:33:21,540 --> 01:33:19,900
there's a fictional character because

2136
01:33:27,020 --> 01:33:21,550
Alan Hynek certainly was not

2137
01:33:29,490 --> 01:33:27,030
guy yeah yeah I I talked to his son Paul

2138
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:29,500
you know you know a few months ago in

2139
01:33:35,070 --> 01:33:31,570
Phoenix and basically asked him how he

2140
01:33:36,780 --> 01:33:35,080
felt about all that because he's there

2141
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:36,790
he's one of the consultants on the show

2142
01:33:41,850 --> 01:33:39,040
and they don't they do run things by him

2143
01:33:43,710 --> 01:33:41,860
and you know those one he said he only

2144
01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:43,720
had one objection and he stood really

2145
01:33:49,740 --> 01:33:47,110
hard to it and that was that his his

2146
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:49,750
father was supposed to say something as

2147
01:33:55,050 --> 01:33:52,690
it as in scientific fact he says no you

2148
01:33:56,190 --> 01:33:55,060
can't do that that's the only time we

2149
01:33:57,900 --> 01:33:56,200
really put his foot down and there's

2150
01:33:59,970 --> 01:33:57,910
they've really taken a lot of license

2151
01:34:01,620 --> 01:33:59,980
with them that's pretty shocking

2152
01:34:03,510 --> 01:34:01,630
that's the only thing that bothered him

2153
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:03,520
you know other things other things he

2154
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:05,440
did say did bother him but that when he

2155
01:34:10,410 --> 01:34:09,010
put his foot down you know yeah that

2156
01:34:13,260 --> 01:34:10,420
mean the way they portrayed his mother

2157
01:34:15,150 --> 01:34:13,270
and you know things like that

2158
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:15,160
listen yeah you know I don't I'm sort of

2159
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:16,690
the pot calling the kettle black

2160
01:34:21,900 --> 01:34:19,690
I support the show I think what I think

2161
01:34:23,490 --> 01:34:21,910
David O'Leary is a great guy yes and the

2162
01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:23,500
people who are running it are smart and

2163
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:26,080
it's beautifully shot and wonderfully

2164
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:28,090
acted and there's just a lot of great

2165
01:34:32,970 --> 01:34:30,370
readings about it yeah so I I don't want

2166
01:34:35,250 --> 01:34:32,980
to be the guy because let's face it you

2167
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:35,260
have to take dramatic license I have a

2168
01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:37,570
number of projects not all of them UFO

2169
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,790
projects I have a big feature film

2170
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:41,440
that's going to be shooting next year in

2171
01:34:47,010 --> 01:34:43,570
Europe about the last battle of world

2172
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:47,020
war ii in europe it's a true story and i

2173
01:34:52,050 --> 01:34:49,570
wrote the screenplay for it but I will

2174
01:34:54,180 --> 01:34:52,060
say I've had to take dramatic license on

2175
01:34:57,300 --> 01:34:54,190
it that just goes with the territory and

2176
01:35:00,030 --> 01:34:57,310
I always say to people you know if you

2177
01:35:03,660 --> 01:35:00,040
if you think too much too much dramatic

2178
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:03,670
license has been taken go read a book or

2179
01:35:09,050 --> 01:35:06,400
you know read the underlying book or go

2180
01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:09,060
watch a documentary about whatever it is

2181
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:11,800
because the object of a film or a

2182
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:13,810
television series is primarily to

2183
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:16,810
entertain so that's right I don't want

2184
01:35:20,190 --> 01:35:18,490
to be too much of a hard-ass about that

2185
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:20,200
yeah yeah no I get it

2186
01:35:25,620 --> 01:35:21,850
um I think everything you just said

2187
01:35:29,490 --> 01:35:25,630
about that I think it's a wonderful set

2188
01:35:33,210 --> 01:35:29,500
of the filming is great and whoever does

2189
01:35:35,159 --> 01:35:33,220
I know there's a I can't remember the

2190
01:35:36,899 --> 01:35:35,169
exactly the exact term of

2191
01:35:38,549 --> 01:35:36,909
but there's someone that wants to make

2192
01:35:42,029 --> 01:35:38,559
sure everything's period of the time

2193
01:35:44,339 --> 01:35:42,039
right and I'm I'm really I'm not an easy

2194
01:35:46,979 --> 01:35:44,349
person to watch any type of film like

2195
01:35:49,770 --> 01:35:46,989
that with because I pay attention to

2196
01:35:52,350 --> 01:35:49,780
everything and they do an excellent job

2197
01:35:54,750 --> 01:35:52,360
with getting period furniture you know

2198
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:54,760
furnishing oh yeah and props I mean a

2199
01:35:59,790 --> 01:35:57,280
Blue Book actually feels a very lot to

2200
01:36:02,969 --> 01:35:59,800
me like dark skies because they're both

2201
01:36:05,069 --> 01:36:02,979
period UFO pieces you know they're set

2202
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:05,079
there's a set in the 50s iris was set in

2203
01:36:10,199 --> 01:36:07,570
the 60s there inside Blue Book we are

2204
01:36:14,609 --> 01:36:10,209
inside majestic 12 I mean they're very

2205
01:36:16,830 --> 01:36:14,619
similar in that regard so I you know Who

2206
01:36:20,549 --> 01:36:16,840
am I not to like it I I just it's it I

2207
01:36:23,129 --> 01:36:20,559
really it's just the Hynek issue right

2208
01:36:25,169 --> 01:36:23,139
right someone has tried to call my skype

2209
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:25,179
whoever it is please call the number

2210
01:36:29,429 --> 01:36:27,280
that's on the screen instead and that

2211
01:36:32,429 --> 01:36:29,439
number is eight five five four seven two

2212
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:32,439
five four eight three and it looks like

2213
01:36:37,649 --> 01:36:36,159
that person may be calling now we'll

2214
01:36:41,939 --> 01:36:37,659
take that call as soon as that is

2215
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:41,949
screened and it is I think it's taken as

2216
01:36:47,790 --> 01:36:43,570
why we're waiting can I just throw a

2217
01:36:51,149 --> 01:36:47,800
couple of things they always ask if

2218
01:36:54,359 --> 01:36:51,159
anyone wants to follow my UFO vibe on

2219
01:36:58,129 --> 01:36:54,369
Twitter my my handle is at Hollywood

2220
01:37:00,299 --> 01:36:58,139
UFOs at Hollywood UFOs and I also have a

2221
01:37:02,310 --> 01:37:00,309
website that I put together where I'm

2222
01:37:05,359 --> 01:37:02,320
sort of exploring some of these early

2223
01:37:09,839 --> 01:37:05,369
thoughts it's called what if UFOs calm

2224
01:37:11,279 --> 01:37:09,849
so what if UFOs calm and you know we

2225
01:37:13,259 --> 01:37:11,289
haven't touched on it but the other two

2226
01:37:15,799 --> 01:37:13,269
books I've written have been alternate

2227
01:37:17,879 --> 01:37:15,809
history books one of them is called

2228
01:37:20,189 --> 01:37:17,889
surrounded by enemies what if Kennedy

2229
01:37:21,959 --> 01:37:20,199
survived Dallas and the other is once

2230
01:37:24,989 --> 01:37:21,969
there was way what if the Beatles stayed

2231
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:24,999
together so I kind of love the alternate

2232
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:27,280
history thing and there's a couple of

2233
01:37:32,819 --> 01:37:30,159
that you know what if JFK calm and what

2234
01:37:34,799 --> 01:37:32,829
if Beatles calm so now you've got all

2235
01:37:36,750 --> 01:37:34,809
the Bryce url's and you're your caller

2236
01:37:38,879 --> 01:37:36,760
maybe on the line yeah they're on the

2237
01:37:40,979 --> 01:37:38,889
line but I'm waiting for the screener to

2238
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:40,989
get done talking he's talking to him

2239
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:45,610
I love alternate history pieces I really

2240
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:48,130
really do in I remember you and I had

2241
01:37:51,780 --> 01:37:48,880
talked about the

2242
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:51,790
previously on the line from Florida we

2243
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:55,600
have Dave aldeman how are you Dave hey

2244
01:38:00,990 --> 01:37:58,719
Martin how are you good good thanks for

2245
01:38:02,610 --> 01:38:01,000
the call how you run with Bryce I'm

2246
01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:02,620
sorry we're bashing something you are

2247
01:38:08,729 --> 01:38:06,280
hey Bryce yeah hey Dave you have some

2248
01:38:09,930 --> 01:38:08,739
involvement with that I said we were

2249
01:38:13,010 --> 01:38:09,940
bashing something you have some

2250
01:38:16,740 --> 01:38:13,020
involvement with I'm sorry about that oh

2251
01:38:19,470 --> 01:38:16,750
no wasn't wasn't you there were some

2252
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:19,480
people in the chat room that were saying

2253
01:38:24,209 --> 01:38:21,760
that one of my clients is really hot and

2254
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:24,219
I just joked about it and I said easy

2255
01:38:30,959 --> 01:38:26,770
now I work with some of those Bluebook

2256
01:38:33,300 --> 01:38:30,969
people you're talking about the blonde

2257
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:33,310
Russian lady on the project Bluebook is

2258
01:38:39,959 --> 01:38:37,090
your claim yeah Ksenia solo yeah it's

2259
01:38:42,419 --> 01:38:39,969
her name yes beautiful girl yes which is

2260
01:38:44,129 --> 01:38:42,429
ironic because in the most middle of

2261
01:38:46,890 --> 01:38:44,139
dark skies is his first season we

2262
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:46,900
brought in a hot Russian agent who was

2263
01:38:53,550 --> 01:38:50,320
Jeri Ryan who became seven of nine and

2264
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:53,560
was a hot blonde the network just

2265
01:38:58,770 --> 01:38:55,330
thought we needed more hot blondes on

2266
01:39:01,620 --> 01:38:58,780
the show so and and Jeri walked in and

2267
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:01,630
just nailed the audition and so she that

2268
01:39:08,220 --> 01:39:03,730
before she became seven and nine she was

2269
01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:08,230
Russian agent yeah I remember and what a

2270
01:39:12,750 --> 01:39:10,600
lot of people don't know is that Ksenia

2271
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,760
it you know she is Russian and that's

2272
01:39:16,649 --> 01:39:14,560
that's her real you know I mean she

2273
01:39:19,770 --> 01:39:16,659
obviously speaks perfect English but her

2274
01:39:24,090 --> 01:39:19,780
you know her Russian is spot-on you know

2275
01:39:26,010 --> 01:39:24,100
make sure even sex right hey did you

2276
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:26,020
have did you have a person for Bryce in

2277
01:39:31,890 --> 01:39:29,679
particular well I just wanted to call

2278
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:31,900
and say you know Happy Thanksgiving to

2279
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:33,850
you and you have the whole race Happy

2280
01:39:39,110 --> 01:39:36,130
Thanksgiving and everybody else Happy

2281
01:39:41,850 --> 01:39:39,120
Holidays if I don't talk to you and

2282
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:41,860
wanted to say hello and meet Bryce and

2283
01:39:46,979 --> 01:39:44,650
maybe we'll talk soon and so thanks for

2284
01:39:50,450 --> 01:39:46,989
your call appreciate it hey Dave thanks

2285
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:50,460
a lot guys Happy Thanksgiving

2286
01:39:56,129 --> 01:39:53,409
all right yeah so that line is open

2287
01:39:58,169 --> 01:39:56,139
again and we have about nine minutes

2288
01:39:59,520 --> 01:39:58,179
left to the show so if anyone wants to

2289
01:40:02,439 --> 01:39:59,530
call and it's best to call in the next

2290
01:40:07,540 --> 01:40:02,449
five minutes or so and that's 855

2291
01:40:10,839 --> 01:40:07,550
seven two five four eight three out

2292
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:10,849
there are they running replace Bryce of

2293
01:40:18,430 --> 01:40:12,530
dark skies anywhere you know

2294
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,440
interestingly no no it and a lot of it

2295
01:40:22,899 --> 01:40:20,719
had to do with our music clearance we

2296
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:22,909
had so much period music in it that

2297
01:40:28,330 --> 01:40:25,280
that's been a thorn in the side so

2298
01:40:30,209 --> 01:40:28,340
actually it remains to this day the best

2299
01:40:33,009 --> 01:40:30,219
way to see dark skies is there is a

2300
01:40:35,919 --> 01:40:33,019
excellent DVD set that was put together

2301
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:35,929
I worked for months with the shout

2302
01:40:40,299 --> 01:40:37,610
factory people trying to get it together

2303
01:40:43,709 --> 01:40:40,309
they did four hours of documentary on

2304
01:40:46,810 --> 01:40:43,719
dark skies they put in all kinds of

2305
01:40:49,419 --> 01:40:46,820
Easter eggs and and I gave them

2306
01:40:53,020 --> 01:40:49,429
everything I owned and put it in there

2307
01:40:56,739 --> 01:40:53,030
so it's it's um it's a it's a great DVD

2308
01:40:58,810 --> 01:40:56,749
set it's just fantastic I I and and

2309
01:41:00,879 --> 01:40:58,820
here's something that's for film school

2310
01:41:04,540 --> 01:41:00,889
students this is pretty interesting I

2311
01:41:08,140 --> 01:41:04,550
told you that Spielberg and Sun and fell

2312
01:41:10,839 --> 01:41:08,150
from MIB had a problem because they were

2313
01:41:12,850 --> 01:41:10,849
at Sony we're at Sony and they we were

2314
01:41:14,799 --> 01:41:12,860
editing next to each other and they saw

2315
01:41:19,449 --> 01:41:14,809
that we had all these men in black and

2316
01:41:22,270 --> 01:41:19,459
they got freaked out and and so the

2317
01:41:23,620 --> 01:41:22,280
studio said well let me just put it this

2318
01:41:25,029 --> 01:41:23,630
way because this is I'm gonna write

2319
01:41:28,180 --> 01:41:25,039
about more in my book too but this

2320
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,190
really happened to I got a a studio

2321
01:41:32,350 --> 01:41:29,840
executive that said get your guys out of

2322
01:41:35,229 --> 01:41:32,360
the black suits and I said that's

2323
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:35,239
[\h__\h] excuse me can I say that you're

2324
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:36,530
not really supposed to say [\h__\h] on

2325
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:41,090
the show but anyway so sorry but it was

2326
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:44,239
and I started explaining a men and black

2327
01:41:48,729 --> 01:41:47,209
go back to the 50s and and you know and

2328
01:41:51,219 --> 01:41:48,739
how I'd written about them already for

2329
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:51,229
Lois and Clark and I had men in black

2330
01:41:55,689 --> 01:41:53,840
and official denial and everyone else

2331
01:41:57,850 --> 01:41:55,699
had known about men and black and I said

2332
01:41:59,229 --> 01:41:57,860
all this and the executives said stay

2333
01:42:01,689 --> 01:41:59,239
where you are I'm coming down

2334
01:42:04,810 --> 01:42:01,699
so this executive from Columbia

2335
01:42:08,020 --> 01:42:04,820
Television which is now Sony comes down

2336
01:42:11,020 --> 01:42:08,030
to the set takes me aside and says words

2337
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:11,030
that still chill me to this day to say

2338
01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:13,489
out loud he takes me aside and he goes

2339
01:42:18,370 --> 01:42:16,190
let me make this clear to you

2340
01:42:20,860 --> 01:42:18,380
get your guys out of the black suits

2341
01:42:25,150 --> 01:42:20,870
today or we will shut down your

2342
01:42:30,940 --> 01:42:25,160
production and burn your negative it's

2343
01:42:33,670 --> 01:42:30,950
right Sadie okay so yeah so just another

2344
01:42:35,170 --> 01:42:33,680
crazy thing that that happened and you

2345
01:42:37,450 --> 01:42:35,180
you say to yourself well why would

2346
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:37,460
anyone do that so anyway what what I was

2347
01:42:41,860 --> 01:42:38,930
saying about the DVD set so what

2348
01:42:45,010 --> 01:42:41,870
happened is Spielberg's and company

2349
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,020
presented us with 19 non-negotiable

2350
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:47,600
demands of things we had to reshoot we

2351
01:42:51,670 --> 01:42:49,040
couldn't have an elevator because they

2352
01:42:53,470 --> 01:42:51,680
had an elevator we couldn't say I'm a

2353
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:53,480
figment of your imagination because they

2354
01:42:58,240 --> 01:42:55,760
wanted to say it things like that so we

2355
01:42:59,770 --> 01:42:58,250
had to reshoot all these scenes and we

2356
01:43:03,700 --> 01:42:59,780
had to take everybody out of their black

2357
01:43:06,850 --> 01:43:03,710
suits right so here's what's great this

2358
01:43:10,020 --> 01:43:06,860
piece the pre Spielberg interference

2359
01:43:13,300 --> 01:43:10,030
piece got edited and released in Europe

2360
01:43:16,510 --> 01:43:13,310
the Spielberg interference piece got

2361
01:43:18,370 --> 01:43:16,520
aired and released an NBC and the DVD

2362
01:43:21,340 --> 01:43:18,380
set has both versions on it

2363
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:21,350
Wow so you can actually watch this

2364
01:43:25,660 --> 01:43:23,450
two-hour pilot and you can see the

2365
01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:25,670
version that was made before it was

2366
01:43:31,150 --> 01:43:27,830
messed with and then you can see the

2367
01:43:33,370 --> 01:43:31,160
broadcast version Wow fasting watch

2368
01:43:35,380 --> 01:43:33,380
isn't that something so you think the

2369
01:43:37,930 --> 01:43:35,390
series will never actually go back on

2370
01:43:41,140 --> 01:43:37,940
the air because of royalty issues no no

2371
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:41,150
I mean somebody has to figure out music

2372
01:43:45,850 --> 01:43:43,310
was an issue why the DVD set took

2373
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:45,860
forever and finally they figured it out

2374
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,850
in 2011 and put it out and I think that

2375
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:51,920
there may be issues about that was

2376
01:43:55,330 --> 01:43:52,970
streaming but I doubt it

2377
01:43:57,580 --> 01:43:55,340
personally I think the reasonable it

2378
01:43:59,140 --> 01:43:57,590
will stream and if frankly if anybody

2379
01:44:01,390 --> 01:43:59,150
wanted it the stream they should start

2380
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:01,400
writing streamers and telling them that

2381
01:44:07,090 --> 01:44:03,530
they'd like to see it stream I would be

2382
01:44:09,340 --> 01:44:07,100
thrilled if it did but you know I don't

2383
01:44:13,860 --> 01:44:09,350
control that I don't own it and I don't

2384
01:44:16,210 --> 01:44:13,870
control it so I can't do that going back

2385
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:16,220
going back to what we were talking a

2386
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:18,290
minute ago about the alternate realities

2387
01:44:23,500 --> 01:44:21,410
is that is that something an alternate

2388
01:44:26,860 --> 01:44:23,510
history type of thing is that is that

2389
01:44:29,740 --> 01:44:26,870
something you're still is that still a

2390
01:44:31,620 --> 01:44:29,750
topic that you really enjoy in your life

2391
01:44:33,570 --> 01:44:31,630
yeah have you thought about another

2392
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:33,580
another site yeah

2393
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:37,370
the top the book series that I've got is

2394
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:39,170
called break point sort of the break

2395
01:44:42,850 --> 01:44:41,090
point in history were could have gone

2396
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:42,860
this way Kennedy could have died or

2397
01:44:44,650 --> 01:44:44,330
Kennedy could have lived that kind of

2398
01:44:46,420 --> 01:44:44,660
thing

2399
01:44:48,250 --> 01:44:46,430
and by the way both of my first two

2400
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:48,260
books the ones about the first one about

2401
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:50,570
Kennedy's surviving Dallas and the

2402
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:52,130
second one about the Beatles staying

2403
01:44:57,250 --> 01:44:54,560
together both won the sidewise award for

2404
01:45:00,010 --> 01:44:57,260
alternate history which is kind of a big

2405
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:00,020
deal I mean Philip Roth won it I mean it

2406
01:45:04,210 --> 01:45:02,690
was a big deal so I'm having success

2407
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:04,220
with it so I'm gonna continue to write

2408
01:45:08,740 --> 01:45:06,050
them right now I'm trying to set

2409
01:45:10,810 --> 01:45:08,750
breakpoint up as a limited well not a

2410
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:10,820
limited series but as a series where

2411
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:13,850
each season we would do one of the books

2412
01:45:18,250 --> 01:45:15,850
so the first season would be the JFK

2413
01:45:20,860 --> 01:45:18,260
season second season would be the

2414
01:45:23,380 --> 01:45:20,870
Beatles third season would be to be

2415
01:45:27,070 --> 01:45:23,390
determined I still haven't decided which

2416
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:27,080
the third book will be now when you're

2417
01:45:34,660 --> 01:45:30,610
doing the show like for instance Kennedy

2418
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:34,670
yeah if he had survived you must come up

2419
01:45:40,590 --> 01:45:37,040
with some amazing scenarios of things

2420
01:45:44,110 --> 01:45:40,600
that have happened did you come up with

2421
01:45:46,030 --> 01:45:44,120
ideas and then that you thought could

2422
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:46,040
happen but we're a little too risky or

2423
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:48,110
how did that you know what I tried to do

2424
01:45:54,010 --> 01:45:50,090
with both of them I tried to make him

2425
01:45:55,810 --> 01:45:54,020
feel authentic mm-hmm so that so that

2426
01:45:57,820 --> 01:45:55,820
people would read it and I've gotten

2427
01:45:59,920 --> 01:45:57,830
this response if you look on Amazon for

2428
01:46:01,900 --> 01:45:59,930
both of the books you see a lot of notes

2429
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:01,910
from people where they go I had to stop

2430
01:46:06,130 --> 01:46:04,250
and you know check Wikipedia or

2431
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:06,140
something to figure out if what I was

2432
01:46:09,700 --> 01:46:08,210
reading really happened or it was

2433
01:46:11,170 --> 01:46:09,710
something that he made up the book

2434
01:46:14,380 --> 01:46:11,180
because I tried to make it feel

2435
01:46:16,450 --> 01:46:14,390
authentic so in other words my Beatles

2436
01:46:19,150 --> 01:46:16,460
book is not about somebody going back in

2437
01:46:21,190 --> 01:46:19,160
time to save John Lennon right mine is

2438
01:46:23,290 --> 01:46:21,200
just a history where there's a break

2439
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:23,300
point and my break point in the Beatles

2440
01:46:27,790 --> 01:46:26,090
book for example happens in 1968 when

2441
01:46:28,330 --> 01:46:27,800
the John and Paul appeared on The

2442
01:46:30,490 --> 01:46:28,340
Tonight Show

2443
01:46:33,190 --> 01:46:30,500
that's my break point for that one my

2444
01:46:35,380 --> 01:46:33,200
break point for JFK is he doesn't he

2445
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:35,390
gets shot at in Dallas but they don't

2446
01:46:40,450 --> 01:46:38,210
but they miss and what would happen then

2447
01:46:43,110 --> 01:46:40,460
and here's and I try to find the

2448
01:46:45,940 --> 01:46:43,120
intriguing little

2449
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:45,950
complications so for JFK for example if

2450
01:46:49,390 --> 01:46:47,840
the guy doesn't get killed in Dallas

2451
01:46:51,340 --> 01:46:49,400
it doesn't mean somebody didn't try to

2452
01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:51,350
shoot him I mean I don't think Lee

2453
01:46:58,150 --> 01:46:53,440
Harvey Oswald acted alone which means

2454
01:47:00,100 --> 01:46:58,160
that Bob Bobby Kennedy and Jack Kennedy

2455
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:00,110
would have become the first conspiracy

2456
01:47:04,150 --> 01:47:01,970
theorists they'd have gone back to

2457
01:47:06,460 --> 01:47:04,160
Washington DC on November 23rd and

2458
01:47:08,620 --> 01:47:06,470
knowing damn well it wasn't Lee Harvey

2459
01:47:10,060 --> 01:47:08,630
Oswald acting alone and they would have

2460
01:47:12,610 --> 01:47:10,070
said we have to fight back

2461
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:12,620
so really it's a fight between the

2462
01:47:16,630 --> 01:47:14,570
Kennedy brothers and the conspiracy and

2463
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:16,640
it feels very authentic and real and I'm

2464
01:47:20,440 --> 01:47:18,290
very proud of it Wow it's called

2465
01:47:21,820 --> 01:47:20,450
surrounded by enemies Wow and the

2466
01:47:24,220 --> 01:47:21,830
Beatles one is called once there was

2467
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:24,230
away yeah I love that we're gonna take a

2468
01:47:28,990 --> 01:47:25,730
quick call cause we only have a minute

2469
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:29,000
real quickly Andy we have a real short

2470
01:47:36,100 --> 01:47:31,250
real short question for our guest don't

2471
01:47:41,290 --> 01:47:36,110
you sure just was wondering if Bryce had

2472
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:41,300
heard of Dan Aykroyd encounter with men

2473
01:47:49,060 --> 01:47:44,650
and black or studio kind of intimidation

2474
01:47:51,310 --> 01:47:49,070
in his experience with his show and I'll

2475
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:51,320
take your answer off there thank thanks

2476
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:51,770
again guys

2477
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:53,090
thank you thanks thank you thank you

2478
01:47:57,700 --> 01:47:55,250
I've met Dan Aykroyd I met him a couple

2479
01:48:00,820 --> 01:47:57,710
of years ago right when the New York

2480
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:00,830
Times article was breaking he told me

2481
01:48:06,970 --> 01:48:04,970
that story also Dan sent me a letter of

2482
01:48:09,670 --> 01:48:06,980
intent he would like to play the

2483
01:48:11,890 --> 01:48:09,680
psychiatrist Benjamin Simon in the Betty

2484
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:11,900
and Barney Hill story oh my god and so

2485
01:48:17,980 --> 01:48:14,690
so I'm I'm taking that very seriously I

2486
01:48:21,070 --> 01:48:17,990
think Dan is a very very well regarded

2487
01:48:23,500 --> 01:48:21,080
and well-read person on this topic yeah

2488
01:48:25,480 --> 01:48:23,510
I'd be delighted to have him play

2489
01:48:28,930 --> 01:48:25,490
Benjamin Simon I think he'd do a

2490
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:28,940
fantastic job so yeah I'm a big Dan

2491
01:48:35,290 --> 01:48:32,090
Aykroyd fan and I yeah I think he's

2492
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:35,300
terrific and he he's had some

2493
01:48:39,580 --> 01:48:37,730
experiences and he has experiences are

2494
01:48:42,460 --> 01:48:39,590
not all just drinking his tequila that

2495
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:42,470
some of them are pretty crazy UFO ones

2496
01:48:46,540 --> 01:48:44,570
he's had four sightings Bryce we are

2497
01:48:48,820 --> 01:48:46,550
totally out of time I'm sorry to say and

2498
01:48:50,410 --> 01:48:48,830
thank you so much I want to have you

2499
01:48:50,890 --> 01:48:50,420
back on again because it was that that

2500
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:50,900
good

2501
01:48:54,780 --> 01:48:53,570
so thank you so much my pleasure thanks

2502
01:48:56,580 --> 01:48:54,790
and goodbye every alright goodbye

2503
01:48:58,650 --> 01:48:56,590
alright everyone so

2504
01:49:00,210 --> 01:48:58,660
is it for our show tonight thanks so

2505
01:49:04,110 --> 01:49:00,220
much I know we have to run real quickly

2506
01:49:07,110 --> 01:49:04,120
and next week we'll be back with Chris

2507
01:49:09,180 --> 01:49:07,120
slam bright and again thank you so much

2508
01:49:11,330 --> 01:49:09,190
for listening to the show and remember